Talk:Cardcaptor Sakura/Archive 1

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English dub

Can users try to shed light on the UK/Austrila dub please as the arctle and links seem baised towards the orginal and US versions (in a way that the other dubs are obscure). I will post some links soon. -Dynamo_ace

I have made the amendments, please wikify the changes and comment on the ammendments here, thank you--Dynamo_ace 15:45, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I know we are trying to put up an episode guide like in other animation articles but the senstivtiy of the anime (due to poor distabuation etc.) could render this article baised without anyone knowing. Lets just keep a Japanesse episode guide up for now until there has been full research and understanding into the english dub.

Even so, if we did an english dub episode list, we would have to do the same for other natinaoltys which could overload the page, so i suggest we don't include one at all. -Dynamo_ace Talk 29th December 2005

The other option would be seperate articles for Cardcaptor Sakura and Cardcaptors.. Shiroi Hane 18:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

CCS Characters?

Referring to User:Melesse's change, does "Characters" really need to be separated out into its own page? I know the characters list is long, but I don't think it particularly warrants separating out. Would you mind if I moved it back to how it was? --Jonathan Drain 01:56, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't think Kero has a New York accsent in the english dub as the voiceover (Matt Hill) is from Canada, futher more his voice could be unique like Joe Pasquile. Could be wrong, but in any case, more work needed on that topic -Dynamo_ace

Found out from a CCS fansite that the Osakan dialect is like Canda's Newfoundland dialect. Could that help distingish kero's dub dialect? --Dynamo_ace 22:13, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Actually an Osakan dilect could be intrpreted as the equivlant of a US Southern Accent in anime or a New York accent in manga. My eyes see all 17:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Censored in Israel?

I listed that this anime was broadcasted in Israel in it's uncensored form, but someone keeps writing it WAS censored. What gives? I'm sure it's not censored.

I'm sure that there was censorship in the israeli version! Why you are sure that There was no censorship in the israeli version? Toya 17:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, none of the names were changed, and all the diffrent romance sub-plots still existed.
There was censorship! Not many censorship like in U.S.A., but there was! Believe me, i know about that more than you. Toya 18:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Okay, but I'll add "With slight censorship".
Wait, are you sure you don't want to mention something like "Burden of proof" to this fellow? We don't want unsourced statements, after all

Mass vandalism

Vandlism corrected on 20:16 (GMT) 20 september 2005. Vandal's intentions are to possbliy flame CC and degrade article. Can the vandal please do his\her homework!--Dynamo_ace 19:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that all of edits would constitute as vandalism, specifically the lines noting Li/Lee's name change and the fact that Meiling was a character made specifically for the anime. --155.246.15.34 00:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Wrong, All the edits the vandel did were dilibratly degrading the quility of the artilcle (by dilibratly making spelling mistakes and other naming mistakes in the artilcle and by remove 3 external links in the article (2 of which are non-flame CC sites.))Also, there was already a line stating that Meiling was a anime-only character. --Dynamo_ace 11:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I still think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article the fact that Li's name was changed to Lee in the english dub. And do we really need links to five or six different fansites? Can we cut it down to two or three?--155.246.15.34 01:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that we need the list of fansites to repesent both CCS and CC in all prespectives. And other wikipedia articles have more than 4 links, so there is no problems.

Also, don't trust subtitles (i suspect that the reason you think Li's name is Lee. Subtilite companies employed by the TV networks have a tendency to make errors, especially in names,due to the fact they don't have much time to annoate the program. It is not like in Movies where companies like SDI media can correct mistakes before it is put onto DVD. --Dynamo_ace 08:17, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The vandal has reverted to his vandelised copy. This was fixed at 19:02 (GMT) on 26 Septmeber 2005. The vandel is anoyomous with a IP address of 84.93.64.55. This is your final warning vandel, attempt to vandilise the arctile for the purposes of flaming and degrading and you will be put forth to the admins and possibly banned. A cool off of this article is also being consedered.--Dynamo_ace 18:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

There's a list of names changes on the http://www.clowbook.com/ (official Nelvana site) (spellings are all their's, not mine):

  • Sakura Kinomoto > Sakura Avalon
  • Kero > Kero
  • Li Shaoran > Li Showron
  • Tomoyo Daidoji > Madison Taylor
  • Toya Kinomoto > Tori Avalon
  • Yukito Ysukishiro [sic] > Julian Star
  • Mei Lin Li > Meilin Rae
  • Kaho Mitsuki > Layla Mackenzie
  • Rika Sasaki > Rita
  • Naoko Yanagizawa > Nikki
  • Chiharu Mihara > Chelsea
  • Fujitaka Kinomoto > Aiden Avalon
  • Yamazaki > Zachary
  • Nadesiko Kinomoto > Natasha Avalon

Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Touya/Toya/Tōya

Any chance we could have some sort of consensus on this? Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I go for Toya. And no, we don't care about "accuracy" of a romanization ('sides, Touya is not really any more accurate than Toya). TOKYOPOP and Geneon use Toya. WhisperToMe 06:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of which, what about Clow Read/Clow Reed?Michael Hopcroft 10:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Names

Assuming it's not just my browser, something seems to have gone wrong with the romaji (pinyin?) entries for Syaoran, Yue and Meiling. Shiroi Hane 23:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Rika & Terada

The manga states that they intend to marry when she is of age, but I can't recall it ever being stated that they do marry (for one thing.. the story ends while she's still in school) Shiroi Hane 08:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I am somewhat in agreement on this point, actually. And speaking of which, I am wondering whether a separate article is appropriate to deal with the Cardcaptors alterations and the elements of the CCS story that raised controversy (such as this subplot, Kaho's relationships with Toya and Eriol, etc.)Michael Hopcroft 00:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It's risky, and could end up having an American bias, Wikipedia isn't the USA's unbaised encyclopedia, it the English speaking lanuage's unbaised encyclopedia. That means its for the USA,UK, Austrila etc. -Dynamo_ace Talk

I still think there's grounds for two seperate English-language articles - one for Cardcaptors (the Nelvana dub) and one for Cardcaptor Sakura (the Geneon subbed DVDs and Tokyopop manga) since there are a number of differences between the two. Shiroi Hane 10:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I think then there will be two sensitive articles (articles which are prone to being POV or vandilised, in fact there should be a template warning people when they see such articles), and that would mean two articles to monitor for vandilsm and POV, which could make its stressfull. This encylopedia has had more than its fair share of stick from the media, i would hate to see it get more stick just because some flamers of a certian anime want it their way. This is a neutral encylopedia, splitting the article into two would just be asking for trouble.

I think we should either put this to a vote or leave it as it is (with or without the idea of implementing a senstive article warning template). -Dynamo_ace Talk

That wasn't exactly what I was talking about. When Cardcaptors came out there was a major controversy among CLAMP fans about the heavy censorship of CCS, while on the other side were advocates saying that CCS should not have been imported at all. I was thinking the article in question would be a discussion of the controversies specifically. I was going to write a little bit on that, but I figured I would get some input on whether there would be the sort of major vandalism problems people have been talking about. Michael Hopcroft (Please sign your post)

We have been getting degrading of articles, invaild infomation, US epsiode lists (Not that that is vandlism), and unbalanced and baised infomation about the dub. That's the main problems we have had in my opion.

Before we contiune we need other user's experances with the article (check the history logs for detials) -Dynamo_ace Talk

Character Page

The article is looking rather long. May I make a suggest that CCS takes a page from the X/1999 page and set up a new page for the characters? 24.81.147.137 06:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Article Revamp (02/2006 - 04/2006)

Revised the whole article, primarily fixing grammar, sentence structure, and overall continuity. Some of the plot synopsis has been rewritten as a result. Will try to revise all the sub-articles (i.e. those of all characters, including writing the character articles that don't exist yet) in the near future.

This series has been taken off American TV, and DVD sales have gone their course (though there has recently been a new box set release; it's very pretty and equally as expensive), so this article's "flame war" tendencies seemed to have lessened. (I suppose everyone is going to rant about Naruto nowadays), so CCS can sit in peace with its true fans as it turns 10 this year.

--Crisu 05:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it, Nevlda is still accuseed for something they havn't done, all curtosy of poor distbuation (which again, i won't go into due to the fact this is a neutral encylopedia). And who are its true fans, do they include CC fans who saw the dub (regardless of form) and liked it?
It is far from over and i have a feeling it only going to get worse. -Dynamo_ace Talk
I'm trying to find a more neutral ground on everything here. Pressed for time, but I'm working on it. For now, the biggest thing I've figured out is that there is a huge difference between the US English dub and the English dub everyone else (like in the UK) sees. Apparently, the UK one is better, while the US one is the really choppy one everyone hates. So I'll do that research and see what comes out of it. --Crisu 20:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Experimentation with Cardcaptors info and synopsis

Okay, I want to try something out. I understand Dynamo_ace's point that perhaps this article should pay a little more attention to Cardcaptors. It could in one way be viewed as a separate show almost. But in any case, I think that more information should be given about it than just "compared to CCS, Cardcaptors is _____." So I spread out the information in the Cardcaptors section a little bit, making the positive part of the section a little more visible.

And I'm experimenting with adding a Plot Synopsis section specifically for the dub. I'm not sure if that's the best idea or if a "Plot Differences" section would be best. I'd rather go with the synopsis, since more dub-specific information can be included there. (Like the "Expect the unexpected" quote. I think that's an important part of the dub.) But I don't want to repeat myself since the major card capturing plot is essentially the same as in the Japanese version. ..So I wrote a little stub for now, and if you guys like it, I'll expand it. But if not, we'll find another way.

--Crisu 23:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Character list and Episode articles

I've finished deprecating the Cardcaptor Sakura characters page. It now redirects here, as every character that was described on that list now has his or her own article. So in the characters section here, I've made a two-column list of characters. I debated making a third column, but I don't know if that would go beyond most people's resolutions.

Also I hope my sorting of the names is agreeable. If anyone has a better layout, then make sure you include enough < br > tags to make the lists have equal amounts of lines and align properly.

The Maki Matsumoto article will be written soon. And my next project after that: articles for all 70 episodes. I'm seeing other TV shows have them, so why can't CCS?

--Crisu 02:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

See my replies on this talk page about the english dub. The trouble is that CCS is too senstivite ,curtiosy of flammers and those who i won't comment about because this is Wikipeida, and following major vandism incidnets over the past few months we can ill-aforad having infomation without enough sources to back up or balance with.
Though i have noticed a spoken word version hasn't been done. Maybe that should be considered. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Well, my sources would be the episodes themselves; I'll try to write everything as objective as possible, so there won't be any arguments. I'll be writing synopses based on the original Japanese episodes, though, as those are all I have. Someone with extensive knowledge of the dub can add to the articles as I get them up (this will take quite a long time to do, myself, anyway). I'm not afraid of flamers or vandals; they won't win because there are more of us dedicated to keeping the information accurate.
What do you mean by a 'spoken word version'? I'm going to try writing synopses in a technical fashion. I'm going to initially reference episode articles from other series (like The Boy in the Iceberg, Christmas Who?, and Chef Aid, for example) while trying to find my own style for CCS episodes. There are episode summmaries written by Peacewish at http://kss.mysticalaura.com/tv/main.php?page=japepguide, but they are written in a novelized (fanfic) form, so they wouldn't be appropriate for Wikipedia. I don't plan on directly referencing those as much, but I do know they exist (and I have used them before for my own personal research).
--Crisu 16:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
PLEASE do not make articles for each episode. I know we've been seeing this a lot on Wikipedia, but it is STRONGLY discouraged. See Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction), Wikipedia:Fancruft, Wikipedia:Trivia. Wikipedia is not here to retell the story of CCS. Fictional story entries in an encyclopedia are only supposed to give a small over-view. Many wikipedias are working to try to reduce and stop individual episode articles for most shows, as they are just too trivial and are needlessly detailed. Wikipedia is not a dumb-all-ground for everything and anything. -- Ned Scott 20:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
...Meh, okay. I won't write them. It makes me a sad that the upper limit for CCS information has to be set so low (in my opinion, I suppose), but I understand your point. I hope you don't similarly disapprove of the character articles I recently wrote, as I do want to keep them around and work on making them properly notable. --Crisu 00:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
It's not that I don't want to see more info, but there's only so many times you can retell a story. I think where our real opportunity is to try to find and locate CLAMP, writer, director, etc notes on the series and gain further insight on the series rather than just saying what happened. Such things as further insight to inspirations on the characters, what the people who worked on the characters thought of the story, etc. Although, there are some very significant places in CCS where a form of retelling would be appropriate. I just don't think it would be wise for each episode to be like that. I think it would tempt too many people to put ill-relevant information in. Maybe a Detailed plot summary article of sorts could work?-- Ned Scott 00:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, based on the discussion at Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Television_episodes and a wonderful gift of concise episode write-ups from a friend, I'm ready to get this miniproject going again. There's not enough info for 70 articles, but I think I can do 7 or 8, splitting some seasons in half or more because of article length. Hopefully over time, I can find broadcasting information, so the episode articles can better follow the discussion's guidelines. --Crisu 16:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
As far as expansion goes, I think we could use at least one more character page for brief descriptions of some of the guest characters, at least the ones mentioned in the Japanese article: Masaki Amamiya, Tomoyo's bodyguards, Wei Wang, Yuuki Tachibana, Yoko Nakagawa, Akane, and Rei Tachibana. Maybe descriptions of important characters in the first movie as well (Madoushi and Li Yelan). --EmperorBrandon 18:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Here's the initial formatting for the episode articles I'm coding: Sakura Card Arc: 47-59. That's the only one up so far. We can move discussion to that article's Talk page to save room here. And Brandon, should we list them under "additional characters" (or some other term)? I may merge Maki's article into that, but I want Rika's, Chiharu's, Naoko's, etc. to stay. ^^;; --Crisu 06:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
"Minor characters" would be (I'm guessing...) the most consistent term. The first movie characters I mentioned aren't really "minor" in the scope of the movie, but unless the movie gets its own article, would probably be the best place to put them. --EmperorBrandon 07:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Cardcaptors on Toonami

Cardcaptors did air on Toonami. It was very brief--maybe four or six weeks over the summer--so I suppose people who missed it would never know it was there. I remember watching it on TV firsthand (and upset that the American dub made its way to Toonami), too.

Here: http://dl.toonamiarsenal.com/download.php?site=tda&fid=000223

It's a .mov file from here: http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/main.php

P.S. Can some of this old discussion be archived or deleted? The page is getting kind of long and superfluous. Except for the Touya/Toya issue, some of the other topics have been addressed already. --Crisu 03:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Around what date was it aired? The League of Crazy Men 09:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
According to the video, Toonami began airing it on 4 June, and the year was 2001. I just edited the main article to reflect some information that's on the CCS media information article. I should get around to synchronizing those two articles. --Crisu 13:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
my bad, sorry. -- Ned Scott 10:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
It's cool. ^_^ At least the promo made the show look good, I guess. --Crisu 13:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I actually first got into Cardcaptors through the airing on Toonami (was much more convenient for me to catch it in the afternoon than in the morning), so I can definitely back up its existence, short as it was. It was only the first 17 episodes in the WB order, and they went through them twice I think (or maybe just once, my memory not totally clear) I went straight to collecting CCS after that and avoided seeing any of the later episodes of the Cardcaptors adaptation. EmperorBrandon 14:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Shiroi Hane, for the talk page adjustment! --Crisu 13:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Purachina

Asking for everyone's opinion on the Purachina article. It's been isolated for a while, and I haven't decided whether I should list it for deletion or not. The article currently doesn't say much, and I don't know if it could be made into something notable. As far as CCS is concerned, it's just an opening theme. So if it could be salvaged primarily as a Maaya Sakamoto single, then that'd be good. --Crisu 06:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Noting that the article was deleted per AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Purachina -- Ned Scott 06:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

E&T Pairing

The E&T Pairing article is another one I'd really like to get rid of, but that just might be my slightly biased opinion alone. Since it has a generally small fanbase, I don't know if it should be included in the template (see below) or well.. even kept alive. Same thing with the Purachina article. --Crisu 17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is now AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/E%26T_Pairing --Crisu 13:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

CCS Template

Inspired from discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga, I've written a template that will soon be placed on all CCS articles. Though I suppose I can just go ahead and do it, I thought it'd be nice to poll everyone first on their opinions of the current layout.

v • d • e
Cardcaptor Sakura by Clamp
Media
English dub • Episodes (Clow Card: 1 2 · Sakura Card: 3) • DVDs • Albums • Clow Cards • Media
Characters

I'm not 100% happy on where I've placed everyone's names, but right now I can't come up with anything better (that also saves space). --Crisu 17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a good template, if you are looking for ideas check out the Ah! My goddess! articles. Cool Cat and other wikipedians have implemented several different types of templates for navagating around the article set. -Dynamo_ace Talk

I like it. -- Ned Scott 19:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Is a template really necessary? You need to edit it a bit more. Some of the names don't fit the respective descriptions.

Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 18:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It was discussed on the Wikiproject talk page that CCS had enough articles to have a decent template. And I did mention earlier how I'm not completely satisfied with the name placement, so the template is open to suggestions or rearrangements from anybody. I'd like to put Yukito and Eriol in a better place, but I don't know exactly how to do it without miscategorizing other characters in the process or making the template too large. --Crisu 20:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


How would this look. If your having trouble adjusting the settings you could use a design similar to this. Is it any good?
Cardcaptor Sakura
Major Characters: Sakura Kinomoto | Syaoran Li | Cerberus| Tomoyo Daidouji | Yue
Supporting Characters: Toya Kinomoto | Yukito Tsukishiro | Kaho Mizuki | Meiling Li | Eriol Hiiragizawa | Spinel Sun | Ruby Moon
Minor Characters: Clow Reed | Fujitaka Kinomoto | Nadeshiko Kinomoto| Sonomi Daidouji | Chiharu Mihara | Rika Sasaki | Takashi Yamazaki | Naoko Yanagisawa | Yoshiyuki Terada | Maki Matsumoto
Clow Cards: A-F | G-R | S-Z
Information: Media information | List of Episodes | Voice actors
Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 22:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
It's another possible organization, yes, but now you're going to get into arguments as to who is major and who isn't. You count Yue as major, but I think he appears less often than Eriol, who dominates in his role more than Yue in his. Then you get into whether Yue and Yukito should be kept in the same category or not. Or even Yue and Kero; Yue plays a much more minor role when compared to Kero, but it doesn't look right when you separate the two. It's .. aggravatingly challenging; I could ramble on about details. Perhaps the last resort solution is just to list everybody alphabetically, making it entirely neutral, but that's just .. not pretty. I still like mine better, though. It's not about size, as I think yours could be compacted down to equal mine once the margins are tweaked. But aside from the odd placement of Eriol, Yukito, and perhaps even Kaho, what I have at least generalizes them away from the major/supporting/minor debate.
In my drafts, I had an "Adults:" category so I could group Maki in with Terada and Kaho. But Kaho's tricky because she has an involvement in the magical plot. --Crisu 07:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Forget the placement i've put Yue and seveal characters in for a moment. I will not argue as to who is a major or minor charcter is. It was just a rough design. The actual template is what i wanted you to see.
If you think the above appears to controversial how would this look instead? I think it might be to big.
Cardcaptor Sakura
Kinomoto Family: Sakura Kinomoto | Toya Kinomoto | Fujitaka Kinomoto | Nadeshiko Kinomoto
Li Clan: Syaoran Li | Meiling Li
Daidouji Family: Tomoyo Daidouji | Sonomi Daidouji
Clow-Created: Cerberus | Yue | Spinel Sun | Ruby Moon
Classmates: Chiharu Mihara | Rika Sasaki | Takashi Yamazaki | Naoko Yanagisawa
Teachers: Kaho Mizuki | Yoshiyuki Terada
Friends: Yukito Tsukishiro | Maki Matsumoto
Clow Cards: A-F | G-R | S-Z
Information: Media information | List of Episodes | Voice actors
Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 10:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the current template being used, myself. -- Ned Scott 11:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

If you're considering the template layout alone, then absolutely no. Now it looks like every other anime template--kinda boring. While I'll accept a simple but useful template over a pretty yet illegible one, I wanted to make a compromise or get as dynamic as I can without confusing the reader. So I wanted to avoid just listing everything in rows, as they become hard to read after a certain length (e.g. Template:Neon_Genesis_Evangelion and Template:Sailor_Moon). I made the family categories, so I could eliminate some last names from links and save space. And the links in the leftmost cell show how vertical lists are just easier to look at (they take up less local space). --Crisu 15:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Ugh! I give up.
Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 22:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Well I do like the current one and I would be more than happy to help you with putting these on every page, just give me an idea of how you did it and i'll figure it out.RecklessFire 03:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Um, I've already inserted them on every page a day ago. But you would just add {{Cardcaptor Sakura}} to make it appear. --Crisu 04:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I like Crisu's original template. It has a good layout. --Squilibob 10:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Links

I am getting sick of seeing links to CC flamesites (Or CCS fansites with CC flaming) on this article, if this doesn't change, i will have to impose a crtiera for sites that can added to these articles. -Dynamo_ace Talk

I haven't visited every part of that site you removed, but from what I can tell it has a great amount of information. I was not able to find any "flame" on this site. Being critical of the edits is not the same as flaming, which just rip on something for the sake of ripping on it and not backing up information. I have reverted your removal, unless you can direct me towards the part of the site that seems to have you all upset. And since when do you alone decide what gets placed as links to these articles? Wouldn't such a thing be decided by consensus? -- Ned Scott 11:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Look under TV section then CCS\CC Differences i think, thats where you will find it i think.

I aplogize for my anger, but it is 10 years now since CCS has been launched and it seems some people still have not done their homework! --Dynamo_ace Talk

I still agree with Ned. Yes, there's a bias, but a majority of the page still remains relatively informative. In addition, it's a single page out of many (with lots of information) that the site has to offer; you're blowing it out of proprotion a little. Contents of the dub aren't ignored (unlike a flame site), as there are episode summaries, DVD covers, and song lyrics. Keep in mind that the dub is pretty much gone in America, and our only memory of it is the U.S.-cut version (until I started Wiki earlier this year, I had no idea Nelvana actually dubbed the whole thing). So consequently you'll have many English sites get biased about it. They'll move from the U.S. adaptation to the original version and not need to look back. You were fortunate enough to grow up with the real dub; you had the better first impression. Sure I'd like, too, for America to get to learn about the real dub (as I want to watch it, too, now), but because of some decision in the past to release the adaptation, I don't know if it will ever happen. --Crisu 17:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

All we can do is try and tell them and show them the place to obtain the episodes. Sadly, the link i would provide might be considered linkspam or a violation of wikipeida's rules but it might just fill the balance a bit. --Dynamo_ace Talk

Would it be linkspam? It could replace the Asian-stuff.com review; I've never been sure why it's there (as it is just a review while the other sites have real content). And as you say, the link can be justified as being dub-supportive, since we have a good number of original-series-specific links and need more dub ones. --Crisu 20:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia has a way to link to books that lets you choose from a list of online stores, so that no single store gets the "advertisement". Wikipedia:Book sources. Maybe there's a way we can use this for DVDs, since many of those same web sites also have DVDs on their stores, or perhaps suggest this for future wiki development. -- Ned Scott 21:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Well actually, this link i was thinking, is (as well as dub-supportive) an anime download site that offers the episodes (as well a possibly a chance of offering a CCS fandub). Thats why i am concerned it won't go down well in Wikipedia (dispite the fact there are some links of similar nature).--Dynamo_ace Talk

Article link audit

In response to the need for a cleanup on the links section to this article, i have done a quick audit on what could stay and what should be removed.

  • Card Captor Sakura at the Open Directory Project (http://dmoz.org/Arts/Animation/Anime/Titles/C/Card_Captor_Sakura/) - contains sites which have false or baised infomation. Recomand a better DMOZ link or removal.
  • On-line Card Captor Sakura encyclopedia (http://www.usagi.org/~doi/sakura/) - despite some unusual entries this site is good enough and unbaised enough to be accepted.
  • Clow Legacy (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/) - This is not a CCS site and should be removed.
  • Card Captor Science Theater 3000 (http://cardcaptor_schlueter.tripod.com/) - Its OK for what it is supposed to be
  • Cardcaptor Sakura Lyrics & Translations (http://freckle.tenkeimedia.com/nl/ccs/index.html) - Acceptable refrence site
  • SLG CCS Network (http://www.suppi.net/slg/) - This is a flame site and should be removed.
  • Kawaii Sakura Shrine (http://kss.mysticalaura.com/) - Site is acceptable
  • Cherry Blossom festival (http://www.strictlyshoujo.com/cardcaptor/) - Contains a flame article, effectivly making it a flame site.
  • Michael's Cardcaptors (http://www.michaelsfavorites.com/home1.html) - Good neutral site, though latest distubation infomation might be misleading.
  • Sakura's BME clinic (http://sakurabme.com/en)

I would like to say that this website: * Clow Legacy (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/) is a Cardcaptor Sakura site because there's a section for Cardcaptor Sakura and it is right here. (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/ccs/)Samantha Lim88 13:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Only official sites are accepted. TsubasaChronicle.net is not an official site, so it does not belong in the article. Jezebel Parks 01:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Mention of lolicon

I realize the article has an unsited sources notice, but this line really bothers me: Due in part to its animation and characterization, Cardcaptor Sakura has a wide fanbase on the Internet, particularly in the yaoi, shōjo, yuri and lolicon fandom. I worry that the inclusion of lolicon, a small subset of anime fandom, may turn people off to the show and give the wrong impression, especially mentioning it in the first section. My understanding was that the anime in particular was targeted at children, and I know the show has been recommended in the past for younger viewers outside of Japan as well. A similar show, Pretty Cure, which has a yuri/lolicon fanbase makes no mention of this at all. In conclusion, is there a source for this? 69.12.130.233 09:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I would remove that line entirely. A lot of series have gained a lolicon/yuri/yaoi/etc fanbase, but that hardly represents encyclopedic information on the series itself. I don't think the sexual inclinations of some fans bear mentioning when introducing a children's show. --80.182.93.115 14:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


I agree. I think it should be taken out, it's not neccessary, especially for a children's show. Pretty much any anime featuring underage girls can have lolicon-fandom. --58.168.201.152 03:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

agreed, but not because it's a kids show, but because any cute moe girl can be a target for lolificiation. Although, pedobear still approves. -- Ned Scott 04:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Whaaat?

This page has disappeared and been replaced with a message that says "Hinomaru" and a picture of the Japanese flag-- I'm assuming no one will be bothered if I attempt to restore the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma (talk • contribs) 02:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Fixed

Okay, I just copied and pasted the last version before this one into the edit-- should be okay now. If anyone takes issue, fixing it further would probably be the best course of action. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma (talk • contribs).

Looks like you've got it under control, thanks. -- Ned Scott 04:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Real world info

Right now we don't have a lot of real world info, but we actually have tons of it available. There's tons of articles, interviews, reviews, etc about CCS, and about individual characters and concepts. Normally I'd suggest cutting a lot of "plot only stuff", but I think it will all be justified once we get some of the real-world/reception/etc information in these articles. I think we should start to compile a list of sources for this content on the talk page, anything you can find, interviews, commentary, etc. We've got some great articles here, and it's time we made them even better. -- Ned Scott 05:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thematic Questions -- How Encyclopedic?

I have noticed a total absence in the main series article of discussions of the prominent themes of the seres -- concepts like "The One You Like Best" and how much of the series (especially Volume 12 of the manga) seems to revolve around the questiom of what love is and how many different forms it takes. On one hand, this would be a great help in placing the series within its context, but since it is as much literary cirtiicsm as statement of fact one wonders whether it would be considered encyclopedic enough. (I've run into trouble on that before). So I would like some guidance. Michael Hopcroft 03:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Such an addition would be considered original research and therefore should be avoided, as original research or one's personal opinions should not be added to articles. ···巌流? · Talk to Ganryuu 09:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand why you would want to post or discuss this since all the old CCS forums have died out due to the age of the series. If you noticed, we do have some light analysis of the relationships of the characters which is a little bit thematic, seeming self-evident and therefore acceptable. --Charizardpal 17:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Licensors - why are they removed?

There is one thing I don't understand - some time ago, I had made the licensor entries in the infobox, and for some reason they have been removed. Why the heck is this? The entry 'licensor' is a valid entry and all I want is to place it. So why are the entries of the licensors - Geneon and Nelvana - continually removed when they belond in the infobox? Elwin Blaine Coldiron 02:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it was just some minor confusion. The editor who removed it thought the licensor entry only applied to Cardcaptors, an edited version of CCS, but it applies to both. I've restored the edit. -- Ned Scott 06:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

CCS artbooks and related ones...

Where shall I put the information? I'm not quite sure...

Samantha Lim88 13:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, good question.. How many of such books are there? -- Ned Scott 01:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


There's 3 artbooks and 3 anime artbooks.
Samantha Lim88 13:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

To me, under the Manga section seems like a close-match for that information. --Charizardpal 00:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Pushing the article to A-class!

Hey, we need to push it to an A-class article! Can someone help? The media info CCS isn't enough. We need info about the video game... There's much more things to do.


Samantha Lim88 13:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I put all the info about the Drama CDs, soundtracks.... in List of Cardcaptor Sakura albums.

The Lost Video Diaries

There used to be a reference to the video diaries on the first page; now that it's been removed its difficult to find out how many mini-omake (and audio-only drama CDS) were released on CD's. Could someone find the old article (I assume this list has been moved to another page), and post a hyperlink somewhere on the first page. (I think posting it right after the last Sakura arc would do well, but don't put it under the soundtrack page without making a reference to it it on the main Article page, since that'll just confuse readers.) --Charizardpal 00:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about those. Interestingly enough, they're not included on the DVDs, but I have seen them before. -- Ned Scott 03:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I've seen 3 of them available on youtube, but there may be more. --Charizardpal 17:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Star Power

Right now I'm discussing the special attributes of the celestrial elements which the cards fall under. This is seldom discussed, and if I find any citable information I'll add it. It's interesting that unlike in most fantasy series, the elemental cards (Chinese and Greek) both fall under jurisdiction of the Sun, Moon cards. As when Sakura's wood and wind cards (Chinese, and Greek/Chinese) are both deflected during final Judgement by Yue on the basis that they fall under his Jurisdiction as the Moon Guardian.

I don't know how to include this in the article, but so far these are the characters that I've discovered: Sun-Kero, Spinel, Clow Reed (Sakura, 1st-2nd seasons?) Moon-Yue, Touya, Ruby Moon, Clow Reed, Syaron Stars-Sakura in the 3rd season Darkness-Eriol (Clow Reed's reincarnation)

(There may still be others, for example, I'm not sure which element the sorceress from the 1st movie used. It does seem that more people draw from the moon element than any other element.) --Charizardpal 17:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I think Sakura has the powers of the moon, sun, dark, and the stars. When she uses the sealing wand, she says "Key that hides the power of the DARK". She can also use cards that are under sun and moon jurisdiction, so she has power over all of them? Greyface 00:51, 17 September 2007

Shaoran's sisters

Their names appear on the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie, where they are listed for dubbing credits. Here the page: Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie on Imdb. I'm pretty sure they can be considered part of the canon, but you can discuss it here. --85.18.136.105 10:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)