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I believe I've seen other caramell dansen spoofs on youtube as well. But the ones I saw were rather shoddy in quality so I suppose they dont really need to be pointed out.

Yes, I seen them too, but most of them are new, baddly animated, or don't have a reliable source, thats why I only posted quality work with fair amount of popularity.--Ruakuu (talk) 03:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Section on parodies has a heavy furry bias, it definitely doesn't reflect what was seen on 4chan or 2ch. Shii (tock) —Preceding comment was added at 23:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The actual popular ones: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm740147 (live-action), http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2201564 (IDOLMASTER, I think this started it over there...). I don't have the Youtube versions, though. MrVacBob (talk) 02:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Those were made almost at the begining at 2008, the spoof section was to mention the oldest ones created, unless they are really that old, but to appear here I will need the author and the date first posted.--Ruakuu (talk) 08:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I know that those 3 are furry based but, first of all, you as an editor know that wikipedia requires strong references for the articles, and proof about what its said here so, those 3 are the oldest I could find and with fair quality, the author names are there and checked the post date, I didn’t just put them there because they where all furry. I have browsed a lot and most of the others I saw were fairly new, or badly animated.
About 4chan and 2chan, I looked there too before posting this article, and found no sustamtial reference they rotate all the files posted there, so there’s no way to proof anything, also most of those files are not uploaded by their original authors.
I saw what you put in the changelog about not having proof of the second version(Popotan Dance 2), well it’s the oldest I could find after the first one, and you shouldn't have deleted it unless you have proof that its incorrect. If someone has found a version older than that, and has reference that probes it, hes/she's welcome to put it in the article.
What I want to say is, if you think you can add something usefull go ahead, but with good reference, author name and date created. Its has to be as old as the others(mid-June 2007), and proof that they are popular enough. I have modefied a few of the content and added more reference so it doesn't show that I'm going to one side of the other so it will show more neutral. Im removing the NPOV tag, because Im not closed to put more references, but I will like to maintain the quality of the article so I will only allow really documented reference.--Ruakuu (talk) 08:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Popotan

Anyone have reliable sources for Popotan being the one that propelled the Caramelldansen dance into a meme?Jinnai (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

First of all, your question seems a bit confusing. Popotan animation loop was used with other songs before Caramelldansen song was added. It became the formal meme after it. The dance is in the animation loop. I don't see why it needs a reliable resource, because the article only explains the meme as it is, and doesn't go into to much detail that can't be proved.
All of the content with unreliable sources was removed long ago and depured by various editors of wikipedia.--Ruakuu (talk) 09:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Not quite. This statement:
"It was not long before parts from the introduction of the PC game were captured and posted as small GIF animations for people to use."
is clearly stating something that would be defined as original research by Wikipedian standards unless you can site a source.Jinnai (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh that part. I don't really see much of a problem with that, other editors including me didn't find that much relevant, because the thruth is that, the caramelldansen came from the opening of the pc game, the popotan opening of the game is here. If we are getting really strict on this well yeah, it will be hard to citate that from a reliable resource now, I haven't seen any good source till now. Still looking for it.
Meanwhile I will document those new japanese sources posted by _dk. they are really good. Im looking that this meme is more popular in japan so there is a good change that I can find good articles in japanese. --Ruakuu (talk) 18:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not trying to be an a**, but the Popotan one got cited for a very similar claim, so that's why. I'm hoping this will spur finding citable sources, even if they are foreign (though preferably not), because it also clearly gives reason for notability of Popotan.Jinnai (talk) 02:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources...in Japanese

Several media outlets in Japan that focuses on internet/music news have covered Caramelldansen. I'll post them here so people can use them to add to the article:

Hope this helps. _dk (talk) 12:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Really good. They will go really well in the history section. The articles do mention about the dance, and the compilation album thats going to be released in April, but we are still looking for sources about the animation, if you could help on finding a japanese article about Popotan and Caramelldansen relation it will be most appreciated. Thanks fot your contribution.--Ruakuu (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Animation: 14 frames

I was going to use the different frames from the Popotan animation for something, and I expected there to be 15 frames, like the article says... well, I copied all of them to Paint from the Microsoft GIF animator, and it turns out there are only 14. Either the line in the beginning of the article about there being 15 frames is wrong, or an image is missing in this hosted animation loop. Please excuse my being nitty-gritty, but I wanted all of the animation frames, in the case that one happened to be missing. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.216.198.143 (talk) 23:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It depends, it can be 14 or 15 frames, the version I got its 15 frames, but there isn't much change if you use only 14, its just a matter smoothness of the animation.--Ruakuu (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How many frames for the Pikachu version?

The link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWadFYzwimI ; anyone have any idea how many frames it has? (Just out of curiousity) —Preceding unsigned comment added by James chen0 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Not completly sure because I haven't examine the animation, but it looks way more elaborated, since it's 2.54 minutes long, if it was 12fps it will be at least 2088 frames, and if it was at 24fps that will be 4176 frames, thats my estimate.--Ruakuu (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flash appearance date

I made the mix early 2006... How could it appear before then? - speedycake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.101.118 (talk) 15:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misspelled?

The current intro reads: "Caramelldansen (misspelled Swedish for The Caramel Dance)".

This must clearly be wrong, at least there is no evidence or sources they're actually singing about caramel. Without delving too deep into this, I'm quite certain it's called Caramelldansen after the band's name, Caramell.

I've changed it to "Caramelldansen (Swedish for The Caramell Dance)"

Lyrics can be found here

80.202.213.133 (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wrongly credited

The 'speedycake mix' wasn't made by MySpace user Speedycakemix, as the article previously said. It was probably made by the same Anonymous 4chan user that made the flash loop. 130.89.168.181 (talk) 10:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it's from the "Speedy Mixes" release of Supergott (see article).--SeizureDog (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the speedycake remix again, it looks like it's just the original song at 120% of the original speed. 130.89.168.181 (talk) 16:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)