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[edit] disposed Indian rajah

Where is it said that Captain Nemo is a 'dispossed Indian rajah'? In the book his exact nature is left an open-ended mystery, right? -- Gaurav 15:51, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)

In the first book, yes. In the sequel, though, he does the full death-bed biography bit. There's a link to the relevant part of the book in the article now. —Paul A 01:48, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)

From 20,000 Leagues (FP Walter translation):

"That Indian, professor, lives in the land of the oppressed, and I am to this day, and will be until my last breath, a native of that same land!"

Good point, but not necessarily completely explicit; this might very well be a figure of style to express his support of the Indian cause, quite similarly to what he says about Greece, rather that some litteral. But an interesting clue indeed. Rama 12:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

The two actor images Image:Nemo-sharif.jpg and Image:Nemo-shah.jpg don't appear for me using Firefox, but they do appear on other pages. What's up? Anárion 12:30, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

For the sharif image: the image page calls http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Nemo-sharif.jpg but it is actually at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1a/300px-Nemo-sharif.jpg -- the second URL is from the Omar Sharif article. Anárion 12:34, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This is most puzzling ! I uploaded these images yesterday and they were displayed normally, but today I cannot seem to see them either. I had a similar problem yesterday with the Khaled_Kelkal article. I will try to see what the problem is... Thank you for your vigilence and interest ! Rama 13:56, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
UPDATE : well-informed sources from Wikipedia told me that this is a site-wide problem, which is currently studied by the development team. Rama 14:01, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Omsk

Home port of Osmk ? Where does this information come from ? I though that the Nautilus party had renounced all links with humanity and were based in a desert island (Mystery Island)... Rama 22:22, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nightwish

I disagree that the song Nemo by Nightwish is about captain Nemo, as the page says. It is about being "nobody", as the latin meaning of the word is. I could be wrong, though so I won't touch it now until I have read the lyrics again. -Anonymous Poster

  • The song's lyrics contain the verse "Nemo sailing home" which shows clearly that the Nemo of the song has something to do with sea. Also, words like compass ("...without an honest heart as compass...") are commonly used by sailors and captains.

[edit] Removed "inconsistencies"

I removed this from Trivia:

creating inconsistency with the first part (why did professor Arronax did not notice Nemo Hindu-looks, at the very least?)

How is Nemo described in the 20,000 Leagues? A high-caste sea-washed Indian could be unsurprising for a Frenchman, I think. Here are Nemo's cousins and uncle. --Error 00:54, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

He is described like this:

The second stranger deserves a more detailed description. A disciple of such character-judging anatomists as Gratiolet or Engel could have read this man's features like an open book. Without hesitation, I identified his dominant qualities-- self-confidence, since his head reared like a nobleman's above the arc formed by the lines of his shoulders, and his black eyes gazed with icy assurance; calmness, since his skin, pale rather than ruddy, indicated tranquility of blood; energy, shown by the swiftly knitting muscles of his brow; and finally courage, since his deep breathing denoted tremendous reserves of vitality.

I might add that this was a man of great pride, that his calm, firm gaze seemed to reflect thinking on an elevated plane, and that the harmony of his facial expressions and bodily movements resulted in an overall effect of unquestionable candor-- according to the findings of physiognomists, those analysts of facial character.

I felt "involuntarily reassured" in his presence, and this boded well for our interview.

Whether this individual was thirty-five or fifty years of age, I could not precisely state. He was tall, his forehead broad, his nose straight, his mouth clearly etched, his teeth magnificent, his hands refined, tapered, and to use a word from palmistry, highly "psychic," in other words, worthy of serving a lofty and passionate spirit. This man was certainly the most wonderful physical specimen I had ever encountered. One unusual detail: his eyes were spaced a little far from each other and could instantly take in nearly a quarter of the horizon. This ability-- as I later verified--was strengthened by a range of vision even greater than Ned Land's. When this stranger focused his gaze on an object, his eyebrow lines gathered into a frown, his heavy eyelids closed around his pupils to contract his huge field of vision, and he looked! What a look--as if he could magnify objects shrinking into the distance; as if he could probe your very soul; as if he could pierce those sheets of water so opaque to our eyes and scan the deepest seas . . . !

Rama 01:05, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

From the article: he was meant to be Polish in the first book.

[edit] Anarchy?

Why is Nemo in the category of fictional anarchists? There is nothing about this in the text. Supersheep 23:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

He respects no state, though you could argue that his submarine and his hidden base are his hidden "country". However he doesn't seem to carry his ship democratically, not even as much as bucaneers did. --Error 00:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that mere anti-nationalism, or a lack of respect for nation states is enough to be considered an anarchist. Although definitions of what it does mean to be an anarchist can vary. At the least, we should expect the text or the author to explain that the character is specifically meant to be an anarchist, no matter how off others might consider the characterization. As this explanation isn't in the text, the author's remarks on the subject should be produced. I'll remove this from the category, and once a cited source is provided, it can be re-added. Cast 01:07 9 December 2006

[edit] Time Period

When Jules Verne wrote The Mysteries Island, I Think he revedied the time of 20000 leaugeus under the sea in the years before the american civil war, i mean of the early sixties years the story happened on 20000 leaugues under the sea. Because i come from gemany, i correct also this paradoxn in german wikipedia.

Many greetings from Germany Philipp Mevius in 2006, August 31th

[edit] Latin Odyssey?

"His name is the Latin for "nobody" or "no one", an allusion to the answer given by Odysseus to Polyphemus in the Odyssey." Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Odysseus written by the blind, *Greek* poet, Homer? Every version of the Odyssey that I have seen so far says "No One" or "Nobody", not "Nemo". Also, the Latin language was extremely young when Homer would have been able to write The Odyssey. We're talking 8th, 9th century BC. And since Odysseus was a Greek coming back from a war with the Trojans that at that point was already concidered ancient history; why would Homer, a Greek, have Odysseus (an ancient greek to Homer's time) give the cyclops a name from a language that barely existed in Homer's time and didn't exist yet in Odysseus's time. I find this connection to be tenuous at best. -- Lucy 08:03, September 14, 2006


I've removed this unsourced speculation from the article. If this is mentioned by some reputable critic, then it can be returned to the article once sourced. Gamaliel 23:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

While it may be that Verne simply was not paying enough attention to continuity in his writing, another intriguing possibility suggests itself. Since 'Nemo' means 'nobody' or 'no-one' in Latin, it is possible that the mantle of Captain Nemo is one which can be assumed by more than one person, much as many different actors have represented James Bond in the lifetime of the character. In this case, the role of the concerned everyman, Nemo, can continue even after the death of one of his 'incarnations'.

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This inconsistency bugged me as well, so I have removed the "an allusion to the answer given by Odysseus to Polyphemus in the Odyssey" text.

While Odysseus did reply (when translated into English) 'no one' , the Odyssey (and therefore his reply) was Homeric Greek, not Latin. If the use of 'Nemo' is, in fact, a reference to this reply, a source should be referenced and it needs to be made clear that 'Nemo' is a Latin translation of the response. --210.1.207.118 04:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a word in Greek which is the exact counter-part of Nemo. Oυτις. It means the exact same thing, it is "no one" rendered in the form of a name. I'm pretty sure that the Latin "Nemo" originates from the Odyssey's "Oυτις", being simply translations of eachother. --IronMaidenRocks 18:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] no allusion to Indian origins in 20 000 Leagues under the sea?

I haven't got the book with me now, and I've read it a very long time ago, but not its sequel, and I distinctly remember (mainly because it surprised me as I had before seen him as a european) a passage where Nemo relates his origins as an Indian prince. Sorry guys I can't check by myself now.

Perhaps you mean " 'That Indian, professor, lives in the land of the oppressed, and I am to this day, and will be until my last breath, a native of that same land!' "

Yeah, well, I think if we want Verne's real intentions all we have to do is to read the bio passage in Mysterious Island and change "India" to "Poland", "Britain" to "Russia", and "the Sepoy Rebellion" to "the Polish revolt of 1863".

It also works if you replace "India" with "Alderaan", "Britain" with "Galactic Empire", and "the Sepoy Rebellion" with "Battle of Yavin 4". Rama 00:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Nemo-shah.jpg

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[edit] Villain

Is Nemo a villain? He seems rather ambivalent to me, doing both good and wrong. I would not characterise him so strongly.

[edit] Hero

Shouldn't he also be listed as a Byronic hero? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.106.154 (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] he became gay?

is that accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.43.141.176 (talk) 02:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

No, for at least one good reason: you don't "become gay". It's not a choice (no matter what Jerry Falwell & the right-wing anti-gay loons say. Trekphiler (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My name is Mario Girotti

What was Nemo's given name? (And don't say "Captain"). Trekphiler (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)