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Contents 1 'Real Actors' claim 2 Arbitrary section header 3 The hook: left or right? 4 Is Captain Hook a Portuguese? 5 The Octopus And The Crocodile Never Met 6 Intriguing new Evidence in "Peter Pan in Scarlet 7 Where did this come from? 8 Disney version of Hook (KH series)... 9 The Day Captain Hook actually won!!

[edit] 'Real Actors' claim

I have removed the following: "This is actually the first adaptation of the book with real actors, although it is commonly thought that there have been lots of them before it." Not only is there no citation, but I can't fathom what it even means. Is it suggesting that all the previous incarnations of Peter Pan have used amateur actors? Maybe cardboard cutouts. Either way, I've removed it until someone can clarify what the heck it means and cite it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.195.65.13 (talk)

[edit] Arbitrary section header

Stevenson's Long John Silver is a fictional character in the novel Treasure Island, He is a pirate, and was the ship's cook under Captain Flint; Silver was said to have been the only man whom Flint ever feared.

Captain Hook's private thoughts mention Flint and "Barbeque." And while it is said Barrie based Hook upon Herman Meville -- he also hints that Hook is a descendant of the 'doomed' Stuarts. So, as Hook was not his real name -- you wonder if he was a FitzCharles or a FitzJames? [unsigned]

[edit] The hook: left or right?

It could be just me, but almost any picture that I see on the internet, be it either from the Peter Pan comics or photographs from Disney parcs, show Captain Hook with a hook in place of his left hand, not his right (as suggested in this article). Edy 09:50, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'd never noticed before, but you're correct: Disney's Captain Hook does have the hook in place of his left hand. It's definitely his right in the original book, though. --Paul A 04:02, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It was said that Disney Animators at the time chose the Left over the official Right hand, per drawing reasons. The animators found it easier for Captain Hook to be drawn and animated with the hook on his left hand. Wielding the sword in his right. – User: S.R.H. 17:20, 30 Dec 2005

[edit] Is Captain Hook a Portuguese?

While I assume most characters in the JM Barrie story are English in origin, is it possible that Captain Hook himself is not? The reason I present the question centers on Peter Pan's nickname for him: "Codfish." Such an epithet, though not necessarily used in that sense, is often used in the United States to describe persons of Portuguese ancestry, particularly in the New England region. In addition, Hook's appearance lends itself to a Mediterranean or Southern European origin. Also, the English and the Portuguese have a history of both alliances and rivalries, in anything from wartime to trading to exploration to football. Some Northern Europeans viewed Southern Europeans like the Portuguese as a more savage or pirating lot. Was Barrie making a political or cultural statement that reflected the sentiments of his era? Perhaps someone else has more information on this theory? – John Lowell 17:20, 9 Jan 2006

First of all pal, J.M. Barrie wasn't even English at all, he was Scottish! Secondly, i'm sure that if he had wanted to portray his villain as Portuguese he would have given him a Portaguese name rather than well, James Hook. Peter's reasons for calling his nemesis a "codfish" have a lot more to do with the idea of something slippery cought to the end of a hook. Fergus mac Róich 23:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Octopus And The Crocodile Never Met

"There, for some reason, Tick-Tock was replaced by a just-as-hungry octopus (a dear friend of the now deceased Crocodile who will stop at nothing to avenge his death at Hook's hands)"

The statement in parenthesis above should be taken out because it's highly innacurate. The reason why the octopus went after Hook was out of hunger, not revenge. In Return To Never Land, the octopus (known as "the beast" in the film), had accidentally landed on Hook, thanks to Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, and Hook accidentally landed in his mouth. Much like Tick-Tock in the previous film, the octopus also liked the taste and decided to try and devour Hook as well. Otherwise, there is no evidence whatsoever of Tick-Tock or the octopus knowing of each other's existance. Also, Hook never directly said that he killed the crocodile. Only that he "got rid of it". So, it's safe to assume that perhaps Hook had finally manged to either drive the crocodile away or simply capture it.24.111.137.236 06:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

[edit] Intriguing new Evidence in "Peter Pan in Scarlet

since "In Scarlet" is an "Official" Sequel, we can take it as canon (at least to the Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital, if not Barrie himself), that Hook didn't actually serve under Blackbeard.......

Well my friend, quite a few readers don't takee it as canon at all. the Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital's holding of the copyright them a legal position of authority, not a cultural one. They have the perfect legal right to pay Ms McCaughrean to write a sequel to Peter Pan, but no legitimate authority from a strictly cultural perspective to declare it as the cannonical second half of Barrie's imaginitive masterpiece. all information regaring Hook that is comes from the writing of Ms McCaughrean rather than from Barrie really ought tob be qualified as such. Fergus mac Róich 00:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hence the way I worded it....that it's canon in regards to GOSH, but not to the original author.....

it's all a matter of opinion.....I don't count the "Starcatchers" Stuff as canon, as it's not approved (and diverts wildly from the original tone) by anybody with any stake in the original, however, "In Scarlet" in my opinion, keeps with the tone, and feel of the original, in such a way, that it respects the original material, without taking anything away from it.

Barrie might've created the character, but he's owned (at least for now) by GOSH, and since they decide the direction of the character, I take it as Canon......you can qualify it as derivitave work if you like, but it's still called the 'official' sequel, and as such, carries more weight than any other derivative work, in my opinion........of course, Wiki isn't about opinion, it's about fact, so the fact remains, it's 'official'.......

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.140.110.158 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Where did this come from?

I'm referring to this part --

A gray wolf version of Captain Hook, Romulus J. Hookfang, plays an important role as a background character in the not-yet-published cartoon strip Paws for Thought. True to his character, he is constantly at war with a lupine Peter Pan, Sirius Star (who is also ironically his son), and is stalked by a persistent ticking crocodile, cleverly named Rolex after the famous watch company.

Is it just me, or does this sound like the definition of a personal advertisement? The cartoon strip hasn't been released yet? How would anyone know about it but its creator? Plus the bias-showing words like "cleverly"...this seems all wrong to me, and irrelevant to the main article.

--128.122.253.229 04:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disney version of Hook (KH series)...

There's already info about Hook in the Kingdom Hearts series under the "Disney" entry, so there's no point in having the "Kingdom Hearts" entry under "Other appearances". I'll remove it. NeoSeifer

[edit] The Day Captain Hook actually won!!

• On 10 June 2007 the "Food Network" Channel had a contest of a cakes being made in the form of "Disney villians". First place was taken for cake{s} in the forms of Captain Hook, Tic-Toc the Croc and Mr Snee. So after 54 years Captain Hook actually won!