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[edit] Merge with Captain general?

Brought from Talk: Capitán General.

I propose merging this page with Captain General, and leaving this title as a redirect. Rbraunwa 20:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. FilipeS 23:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

In the absence of any objections, I have merged the two articles. I also merged Capitão-Mor into this one, which is an equivalent rank. FilipeS 22:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Franco was not Captain General, was only General.

Francisco Franco was not Captain General. Franco was only General, an he was always called General Franco. The King John Charles I is the only one Captain General in Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.123.84.167 (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

• The rank of simple general has never existed in Spain. From 1999 onwards there exists a General del Ejercito (Army General ). Too late for Franco being one
• Franco's rank at the start of the war was General de División, the highest rank then available in the Spanish army. He was one of the juniors of the class, but still ...
• Franco was elevated to the rank of Captain General by the same (nationalist) decree that restablished the rank 18 July 1938 [1]
• Moreover he was Captain General of the Army, the Navy (by the same decree) and of the Air Force. And consistently used the rank insignia for nearly 40 years, so there is plenty of graphical witness
• The use of the full rank when naming generals in Spain (f.i. Teniente General N. instead of General N.) is relatively scarce. And it's never used when addressing them (only vuecencia or mi general is allowed). FWIK it happens also elsewhere
• During Franco's lifetime, he was called in very different ways, but Capitan General Franco was almost never used outside military paperwork, if at all (the normal form would be S.E. El Generalisimo Francisco Franco, ..., Capitán General del Ejercito or something alike)
• In any case, during the same period, using the expression General Franco was one of easiest ways to be labeled as a mild oppositionist; or was just a non-commital diplomatic speach form of foreing powers/writers

--Wllacer 23:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm away from my sources (i plan to update the article, but not tonight) but FWIW, during Franco's rule at least two officers were promoted while on active duty to the rank of Captain General, Agustín Muñoz Grandes and Camilo Alonso Vega, and some others either posthumously or honorary (past retirement age).

During the tenure of King Juan Carlos, i can't recall any promotion while on active duty, but at least two on reserve officers: Manuel Gutierrez Mellado and Angel Salas Larrazabal (Air Force)

Since 1999 the rank is, for all practical purposes extinct, as it has been reserved for the King.

--Wllacer 00:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Overhaul

I've done a major overhaul of the military part of the article (was sitting in my sandbox for ages), and plan to do a less drastic change on the administrative side. Hope it is of better quality now. Sadly I cannot locate the document where I put the references, but hope is not totally lost ... I had to do away with most of the original content, I hope the previous contributors will understand --Wllacer (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)