Talk:Capoeira toques

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Contents 1 Idalina 2 Page Creation 3 Mindinho 4 Some small fixes 5 "Standard Notation" 6 Added Idalina

[edit] Idalina

138.163.160.43, I think I see what you're trying to get at with your changes to the Idalina notation, but currently you have 13 characters in the first measure and 15 in the second. As each character other than the "|" is supposed to represent one eighth note, there should only be 8 characters before the "|" and 8 after. To represent the slur you're talking about just put "v-" which means hit an open note and then hammer the dobrão on the next note. Focomoso 03:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Creation

The idea here is to start a list of Capoeira toques de berimbau and the games associated with them if any (and eventually notation and audio samples I hope). This should be nowhere as long as the list of Capoeira songs. From my limited experience, it seems that different organizations play the different toques differently and I hope this diversity is reflected here. Please expand on my game descriptions and add any toques I’ve missed (I’ve included only ones I have first hand experience with).

--Coalhada

I just wanted to say that I respect your attempt to do this, but I think this is not really the best approach because toques just vary so much from school to school. I think rather than trying to find an exhaustive list of toques, which can never be universal, and in the end is just nomenclature, it would be more informative to users to keep this page focused on the role of toques in the capoeira game, and provide some links to what the extremely well-known toques sound like. I refer here to only two toques, Angola and São Bento Grande, which are the only two toques I have come across that are pretty consistent from school to school in terms of sounds. Even in these two toques the type of game played varies so much though.

Siri de Mangue; Muiraquitã Capoeira; Toronto, Ontario, Canada

'Not really the best approach' to what end? Because a list of toques cannot be exhaustive doesn't mean we shouldn't try to come up with as many as possible. But perhaps we should split this up into Capoeira games and Toques de berimbau, the latter focusing on the music.

While there is huge variety in many of the toques, I'd say there is relative consistency in the ones invented by Bimba (I've only heard one iuna for example). But I'd hope that this variety would be expressed here.

Focomoso 19:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Another problem is of course that capoeira tocques do not remain the same, the evolve like language does. Will you also list tocques that are no longer used, but have been? In 50 years there will be an infinite number of tocques and variations on this list. It will at least need some index/explanation of the "families". Every school has it's own variations, but every school has a selection of types of tocques, since naturally they are needed for a functioning roda practice/culture.

tp

Everything changes. Language changes. Still, we attempt to define it as best we can. If you know some extinct toques, please add them. When this article has been up long enough that some of the current toques pass out of use, we can label them as archaic (and yes, indexing will be needed). Until then, I'm happy to focus on what are generally used today. Focomoso 03:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mindinho

The link at the bottom for Miudinho does not work. http://www.capoeirapraha.cz/video.htm

Davelapo555 16:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some small fixes

I reorganized the toques to differentiate traditional (in that they have been anonymously composed and around for a long time) and those that are more recent developments with known composers. I also added some variations in the angola toque that are used in viola improvisations and deleted the Idalina toque because it was notated very ambiguously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.48.91.218 (talk) 19:31, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Standard Notation"

I replaced the ascii text with standard musical notation as per requests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmckaskle (talk • contribs) 18:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the attempt here, but this is not standard musical notation. Do you have a source that uses a half note for an open sound and a quarter note for a closed sound? The 'x' for the un-pitched sound is used often, but any musician looking this notation can tell you that it is not standard. Also, why remove the ascii from the toques you don't have notation for? Focomoso (talk) 06:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Added Idalina

Added Idalina toque Jmckaskle 21:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)