User talk:Caniago

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[edit] Nonsense of Bemo

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[edit] Patent nonsense

You tagged the articles on Madiun Stadium‎, Gelora Bung Tomo‎, and Bukittinggi Airport‎ as patent nonsense. While I have no idea whether these articles were true or accurate, they did not constitute patent nonsense as that term is used in Wikipedia. They looked like perfectly normal articles about stadiums and an airport, respectively. Please don't overuse the {{db-nonsense}} tag. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Madiun Stadium

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[edit] AfD nomination of Madiun Stadium

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[edit] List of search engines

Hello Caniago. Please add some rationale on the Talk to your recent move of a table here from Desktop search. At first I thought it was a mistake, but now I seem some of your thinking. Since this article is watched by so many, we should try to avoid multiple reverts if we can. EdJohnston (talk) 17:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Embedded_list#Lists_within_articles. (Caniago (talk) 00:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] AfD nomination of Bukittinggi Airport

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[edit] Improvement

You helped me to improve the article Macau and now I am going to help you to improve Indonesia. This is not a bad faith. Coloane (talk) 03:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No, by using FAR you are seeking to remove Indonesia from FA status because you don't like Caniago criticising Macau. If you were genuine about actually improving Indonesia, you'd make the changes your self, or just use the talk page. --Merbabu (talk) 04:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Macau FAC

Hi Caniago, I've made some edits trying to address your concerns raised regarding the FAC Macau. I hope you'll reconsider your position. At least change "strong oppose" to mere "oppose"? ;)

Thank you for your time. Josuechan (talk) 18:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I will come back and re-review after you have had time to address the comments by User:Bogdan. (Caniago (talk) 23:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC))

I just deeply apologised for putting the article Indonesia on FAR if you think I did it on bad faith. Hopefully you can forget this matter. I really want to stop tussling with you. It just wasted too much time on this. Coloane (talk) 18:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can I reword your signed contribution

Can I reword your evidence section at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Coloane? Thanks. CM (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No, but feel free to lobby some admins, asking them to perform the checkuser. (Caniago (talk) 03:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Indonesia project...

Hello there. Thanks for your efforts cleaning up the hoaxes - what a drag. Seriously, what is wrong with some people?

I’ve been trying to get some important articles sorted out – at least as much as I can. See Suharto and East Timor (no, not necessarily together!). I redid Suharto's lead - it needs a bit more work, but the next step will be the article itself.

Also, there’s discussion about the name of Indonesian Revolution of 1998 at that article’s talk page (also see Satu Suro’s talk page for some background - if he hasn't already done his daily archive, lol). Please add you suggestions. The proposed Downfall of Suharto is better than the existing, but not perfect. We want something that will take into account the 96 to, say 2000 transitions. regards --Merbabu (talk) 01:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh? (cool toy - but it kind of removes the mystery) --Merbabu (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
woah. What a shame it's in such a bad way. What's the bet that is all the journos? --Merbabu (talk) 14:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Heath Ledger --Merbabu (talk) 14:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Vandalism"

Yeah - it might not be obvious vandalism to outsiders, rather just lousy editing. He looks like he has no idea/respect for 3RR, so any more crappy edits can be reported to 3RR board instead of AIV. How's Minangkabau going by the way? --Merbabu (talk) 15:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Islands

Without the additional colors for the country titles, and without a keyword actually indicating it is the name of a country it is really confusing. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 04:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Why? The country label is centered. You have the flag next to the name. If there are multiple countries they are separated by a horizontal line. If you look at the actual articles using the template (eg. [[1]]), it doesn't seem confusing at all. I don't see what the problem is. (Caniago (talk) 06:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC))

How do you even know it's a country. It doesn't have the country label on it either. It could easily be some kind of state with its most populous city listed underneath. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 13:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What it is doesn't matter, its a title for the section and its meaning is implicit within the context of the section. Show me an example article where there is any confusion. (Caniago (talk) 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC))

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who does not know anything about the particular island and check La Hispaniola. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 17:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how adding an extra background color helps to clarify anything. (Caniago (talk) 09:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Indonesia TV stations

Geting all the dreamy situations - references to Indonesia wikipedia as a reference, and all the rest - will be trying to put something on the main WP Indonesia noticeboard about guidelines and hunting down all the arts that need cleaning up - what do you think? Satu Suro 09:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] coor title revert

You reverted my change to Pontianak, Indonesia (diff). Why? All I did was add a coor title tag, which is standard for articles on cities all round the world. Was there some problem with it? --David Edgar (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The coordinates already exist in the infobox on that page. There is no need to duplicate the same information twice. Please see [[2]] for more info, specifically "As of August 2007, there are several different high-level ways of entering coordinates, with no clear consensus on the best way.". (Caniago (talk) 19:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC))

Yes, I saw they were already in the infobox, but this is also the case for most other cities - for example New York City, London and Shanghai. I think it makes it clearer to have it the information here too, especially as the coordinates are particularly significant. --David Edgar (talk) 19:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see the page I quoted above. There is no WP policy on how coordinates should be displayed. Repeating the information twice in close proximity on the page is just silly. Just because some other city pages do it that way doesn't make it right. (Caniago (talk) 23:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Ethnoreligious

Religion is not a compulsory trait in defining an "ethnic group", unlike any ethnoreligious group. U cant claim that all Tamil people are Hindus, all Javanese ppl as Muslims, all Arabs are Muslims. Because there are Christian Tamils, Javanese, and even Arabs. But Malaysian Malays are all, always, Muslims. As defined in the constitution. There are also article written about it: [3]. I think one of us misunderstands the meaning of ethnoreligious. Is it u or me? kawaputra^torque 06:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind a butt in here Caniago, "Malaysian Malays = Muslims" is simply the Malaysian govt's definition. It may be the only legal or official Malaysian definition but that that doesn't mean it's the correct, or the sole definition. If someone is born a Malay, is a Malaysian national, and is Muslim, and they choose to change religion they are still Malaysian, Malay, just not Muslim - it doesn't matter whether it's a breach of the constitution. --Merbabu (talk) 08:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes they are still ethnic Malay no doubt, but they cease to become a Malaysian Malay. ie: if they convert out of Islam they cease to be a Malay as defined by the constitution. Im not claiming that an ethnic Malay is an ethnoreligious group, im saying that a Malaysian Malay is an ethnoreligious group. Isnt that what this article is about: Malay as defined by the constitution? kawaputra^torque 08:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

If you have a reference which states Malaysian "Malays" as defined in Malaysian law is a ethnoreligious group then add a sentence in the article saying so. Please don't add it to the "See also" section, it not appropriate since the ethnoreligious article contains no information specifically about Malaysian Malays. (Caniago (talk) 14:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Lists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Lists_in_Indonesia_Project - your comments would be appreciated - thanks Satu Suro 11:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I had hoped you wouldnt do that - it needs to go to the project noticeboard and out of personal and article pages into an area- as there are other list pages to work out as well Satu Suro 13:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Just getting my frustration out :-) That user and the 125.164 editor need a good kick. (Caniago (talk) 13:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC))

OK see my gmail about that Satu Suro 13:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I have dutifully ignored you post on Talk:List of schools in Indonesia. I do not respond to personal attacks. Take care. -- ML Saturn (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Exactly where is the personally attack, I don't see it? (Caniago (talk) 21:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC))

Your sarcastic remarks about the To Do List on Talk:List_of_schools_in Indonesia are not appreciated. If you have a problem with me as a user, please be polite and either reply to this edit or discuss it on my talk page.ML Saturn (talk) 13:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

I would appreciate if you could have a look and make comment re the two current categories mentioned at the WP Indonesia noticeboard - unfortunatley the eds who either nominate or comment appear to be totally unaware or uninterested of the projects existence - it would be really good for any comment to assert that we are in fact interested in our project and its management Satu Suro 00:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesian School list

I have thought about it carefully - it is crazy - proyek gila - in Indonesian - I will try to ask all involved for it to be abandoned Satu Suro 14:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contoh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_in_Indonesia - the latest find in the migration from one project to another and what it does - I really think we need to find an WP:AGF way to nuke the migration before it wrecks the english project - any suggestions? probably best on gmail if i think of some ideas :( Satu Suro 00:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Too much?

Is it worth taking to some part of the Wikipedia project so that evrytime you go on you dont have to spend 1/2 an hour dealing with it? Satu Suro 12:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Borobudur

Borobudur is one of world heritage site according to heritage website. Why did you delete may infobox about borobudur temple compounds? Thank you before.Mfa fariz (talk) 17:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:Borobudur#World_Heritage_Site_box. (Caniago (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC))