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  • More information on his personal life.

At the end of the first paragraph, Caninflas is refered to ar "Reyes". In Spanish custom, his proper surname is "Moreno", that being his father's surname. This is followed by his mother's surname of "Reyes". In English custom, "Reyes" would precede "Moreno", hence the confusion.216.188.227.109 02:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

  • More context on Miguel del Río, to explain relevance on his remarks
  • More information on "Cantinflas and the Chaos of Mexican Modernity"
  • Allow awards and honors section to flow well
  • Early professional life, such as training in circus skills
  • Discuss origin of "Cantinflas" character: the pelado, tavern humor, popular theatre, the development of the pelado into a stock character in the carpa, Chupamirto, and finally Moreno and his stage- and screenwriters.
  • Discuss overlap, conflation, and differences between the character Cantinflas and the actor Moreno.
  • Correct errors, such as grew up in the Tepito barrio, performed in "the circus", and studied law/medicine.
  • Discuss association with and importance of Tepito barrio.
  • Discuss leadership of SPTC/union involvement.
  • Discuss ANDA conflict that involved the President of Mexico
  • Discuss contemporary criticism.
  • Discuss portrayal of masculine gender.
  • CHECK WHERE HE MADE HIS DEBUT, AS IT DIRECTS USERS TO FOLIES BEREGERES IN PARIS
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[edit] Early comments

I remember reading that the RAE has accepted cantinflear in its dictionary. But I don't find it on the online version. Is it true? -- Error

Cantinflas is also mentioned in "Whipstickagostop", by Mindless Self Indulgence. "Cantinflas was a body rocker..." :D 172.208.123.75 19:14, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

The RAE's online version defines cantinflear as "Hablar o actuar de forma disparatada e incongruente y sin decir nada" OR To talk or act in a crazy-like or incongruent way without actually saying anything.
--Fern 22:47, May 3, 2004 (UTC)

PLEASE NOTE THAT HE WAS NOT BORN IN 1992 AS IT SAYS ON THE CHART ATM

[edit] Awards

Please note that Cantinflas was not nominated to any oscar for Around the World in Eighty Days Manuelcuevas 15:58, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Then what was his Oscar nomination for? (If he ever got it)
--Fern 11:31, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
In Fact, Cantinflas never was nominated for any Oscar. Around the World in Eighty Days won the 1956 Best Motion Picture Award. Manuelcuevas 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
He did get a Golden Globe for Best Actor, though. --Paul A 03:47, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Films

Can we enter the films as a table? That way we can have various columns, for year, director, character played, etc. When I first looked at the list I thought the name following the film was the director's name before I figured out it was the name of the character played. Also, many of the films have red links. Only the notable films, such as the ones that have or deserve their own wiki article, should be linkd in my opinion.--Rockero 20:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm on it. Gflores Talk 23:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legal battle

I'm utterly confused about the legal battle. Was it b/w the son and the nephew only? What issue was there with Columbia Pictures? Maybe there's more information in Spanish sources someone could look up. Gflores Talk 17:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

There were two legal battles of Cantinflas' adoptive son: 1) With Cantinflas' nephew about his estate (won) and 2) With Columbia about the rights of Canfinflas' movies (lost to Columbia). --Vizcarra 17:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Can you read over the two paragraphs about these cases and see if they're accurate (check the references too). I appreciate it. Gflores Talk 18:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] comments

Since this article is fairly long, should we add one or two more images? Other media related FAs have 5 or 6 images, so I don't think that'll be an issue as long as we provide fair use rationale. There are especially some good images here from his personal life. Gflores Talk 19:28, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The entertainment section is pretty long now. Should we split off the stuff the origin of Cantinflas? It seems a little out of place there and would probably make the structure a little bit better. Thoughts? Gflores Talk 00:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it now. Let me know what you guys think. I don't feel too strongly either way (but apparently strong enough to change it :)) Gflores Talk 05:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To do

I added a "to do" section, so we can focus on what to improve (I took the hints from its "featured article" nomination). Feel free to add or to strike out (<s>, </s>) any items. --Vizcarra 23:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carpas

I think that carpa might be getting translated as circus because the performances took place under tents. And while the atmosphere may have been carnivalesque, it was not the same thing we think of in English as the circus. If it were, it would have been called "el circo", which does exist in Mexico. I'm holding off on major edits until I finish the reading the biography, but until then, I've been trying to create some of the daughter articles so there aren't so many redlinks. I expect carpa to be one of them. I just thought I should explain why I crossed out the "circus" stuff.--Rockero 10:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Campesino-cum-slumdweller

Ok, he's described as a "campesino-cum-slumdweller" in the intro. I assume the use of "cum" is of the Latin, "with"? Would not "con" (Spanish) be more appropriate? - Eric 02:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No, cum is just muck spelled backwords, life moef for femme in French. Duh!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.144.113 (talk • contribs)

It's an English word meaning "along with being", but the etymology is of course Latin. Is the wording too esoteric or unclear?--Rockero 05:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didn't get it. Anyone have a suggestion for a clearer way to put it? - Eric 08:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

The "Filmography" section is backwards. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works). Also, all of his films should be linked. They may be redlinks at the moment, but the purpose of redlinks is to encourage others to create articles on these films. Plus, if a future article is made on the film, then this article wouldn't be linking to it. --SeizureDog 09:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Re "Mr. Moreno had a blood son in 1961 and was adopted by his wife Valentina Ivanova and named him Mario Arturo Moreno Ivanova"...you mean Valentina wasn't the mother of this son? Who was? If he stayed with Valentina and she's not the kids' mom, that means he had an affair. Please clarify.Rlevse 18:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No affair. Cantinflas adopted Mario Arturo, that's for certain. I think the article is trying to say, is that Arturo has his blood, meaning Cantinflas' sperm was used to give birth to Arturo. Definitely needs clarification, though. MahangaTalk to me 19:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
That information was added by Cjmoreno79, who changed the Moreno's name and added in a lot of family-related information, unreferenced.--Rockero 00:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Aguila o sol screenshot.PNG

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[edit] Write-in votes for president

Couldn't decide where this item goes (the wording is my own):

In the Mexican presidential election of July 5, 1964, Cantinflas received two write-in votes; while not winning the presidency, the actor nonetheless defeated the Aztec god Tlaloc, who received only one vote.[1]

Let's work it in wherever it seems best to fit. While that's the only reference to a specific year in which he was written in, at least one of the major sources in the bibliography does make an oblique reference to his being a write-in candidate for president. Lawikitejana 06:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be good to have a reference for this. It sounds like a joke. Something like "I only got two votes, but I beat Tlaloc." Either that, one wonders whether write-in votes were accurately counted. A major comedic figure only getting two votes? 24.130.8.66 (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carlo Moreno COI

I think Carlo Moreno is adding himself into the page, adding that he is Cantinflas' nephew, representing a possible conflict of interest. Plesae Carlo, read WP:COI. Or answer here, or in your talk page, thanks. Solid Reign (talk) 15:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)