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[edit] Posting
Posting the canter really does exist. Here is a forum thread all about it. --Una Smith (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Here is another one. --Una Smith (talk) 05:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Another forum discussing posting the canter. --Una Smith (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Another, Yahoo Answers Australia --Una Smith (talk) 02:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
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- I love it, you are screaming for perfect textbook sources at lead (leg), yet here you are shoving google and yahoo "anyone can answer" pages that are less reliable than wikipedia at us here. Double standard, dear. So whatever this polo player thing is, you should be able to show us a book on polo where it is described or advocated. As the answer at the Yahoo page said, "there is absolutely no use to posting at the canter." This belongs, if anywhere, in the polo article. Montanabw(talk) 06:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I found 2 web forums where posting the canter is called "treading", but that usage seems to be very uncommon. Most polo players who do it call it posting. --Una Smith (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Different issue and not even a moral question!
Sincere question: Would there be any wisdom to renaming this article something like "Canter and gallop?" My thinking is that there are some references to galloping, galloping doesn't have its own article (just its own section in horse gait) and you have pointed out that they are both in the same gait "family." Would entail a bunch of redoing of some wikilinks, but would be more logical. (Could also make both canter and gallop as redirects). Just a thought, maybe something we can agree on, for a change. Maybe... Montanabw(talk) 06:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- As I mentioned on Talk:Horse gait, I propose to create Leaping gaits
(link now a redirect to Jumping),to include cantering, galloping, stotting / pronking / pronging / bucking, and leaping (quadruped jumping); also to refer to (else merge) Lead (leg) and Lead change. Much of the content of Canter applies only to horses and probably should be an article titled Canter (riding). Gallop (riding) could redirect to Canter (riding), except that much of the horse-specific content of Canter does not apply to galloping so I don't know that merging the two topics would be all that useful.
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- I am vehemently opposed to labeling a horse article "leaping gaits," because other than a few biomechanics sorts, no one else in the horse world will have a clue what you are talking about. (Since you raised the topic, I found an article by Dr Hilary Clayton that verified this classificiation, but the term is certainly not used to any great extent in the horse world, where "leaping" would be solely associated with jumping, in the eyes of the average horse person). If you created an article called "leaping gaits" that addressed dogs, cheetahs, and whatever else, with no real emphasis on horses and links to this canter article, the bucking article, etc., that would be within the scope of general animal locomotion, and not a problem with me, IMHO. BUT, as far as being horse-specific, while other animals do a galloping gait (dogs, cows, etc.) the canter is, to some extent, a human-trained version of the gallop that is somewhat horse-unique. There are also special considerations about the gallop in horses that we don't concern ourselves with in non-riding animals (the difference between a hand gallop, a racing gallop, etc.) Horses are also unique because we ride them, hence gait quality is more of an issue than for, say, a cat. I haven't paid a lot of attention to animal locomotion, but I am of the opinion that the horse articles need to stay horse articles and the aficionados of other animals can do their own. Montanabw(talk) 03:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- I am equally opposed to the Balkanization of Wikipedia, with each aficionado group writing its own stand-alone encyclopedia. And it isn't even necessary. One of the wonderful things about Wikipedia is that with hypertext linking we can use unfamiliar terms without digressing into tangential definitions. I see a place for an article on Leaping gaits (horse), particularly since they include (er) leaping (jumping but not jumping). To me, Montanabw's response here illustrates precisely why Wikipedia should have Canter (gait) and Canter (riding): to separate the biomechanics from the equitation issues. I suggest Canter (riding) because most of the particulars of cantering apply primarily or exclusively to horses being ridden (not driven), but for a broader scope Canter (equitation) might work (if drivers accept equitation as including driving). Canter (gait) would still fall within the scope of WPEQ, plus be within the scope of other projects. --Una Smith (talk) 05:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- I am vehemently opposed to labeling a horse article "leaping gaits," because other than a few biomechanics sorts, no one else in the horse world will have a clue what you are talking about. (Since you raised the topic, I found an article by Dr Hilary Clayton that verified this classificiation, but the term is certainly not used to any great extent in the horse world, where "leaping" would be solely associated with jumping, in the eyes of the average horse person). If you created an article called "leaping gaits" that addressed dogs, cheetahs, and whatever else, with no real emphasis on horses and links to this canter article, the bucking article, etc., that would be within the scope of general animal locomotion, and not a problem with me, IMHO. BUT, as far as being horse-specific, while other animals do a galloping gait (dogs, cows, etc.) the canter is, to some extent, a human-trained version of the gallop that is somewhat horse-unique. There are also special considerations about the gallop in horses that we don't concern ourselves with in non-riding animals (the difference between a hand gallop, a racing gallop, etc.) Horses are also unique because we ride them, hence gait quality is more of an issue than for, say, a cat. I haven't paid a lot of attention to animal locomotion, but I am of the opinion that the horse articles need to stay horse articles and the aficionados of other animals can do their own. Montanabw(talk) 03:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Well, that is sort of a different issue and not what I was asking here. My point was merely to inquire if you were going to throw a conniption fit if I renamed this article, as it sits, Canter and gallop or something similar, throwing in the gallop material from horse gait and then more tightly summarizing both gaits there. I also fail to fathom how breaking canter into separate riding and gait articles is not in fact the same kind of "Balkanization" that you so dislike. In fact, while other animals "run" and "lope" I don't usually hear of any other animal cantering, as the canter is, essentially, a trained gait of sorts. But, obviously, because it was my idea, of course you insist we must do something different. Sigh. Montanabw(talk) 05:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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