Talk:Candy apple

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[edit] what about Caramel apples??

Caramel Apples are more common than Candy apples in many parts of the U.S. and Canada where candy apples are simply unheard of, don't they deserve more than a line about "varieties"?

I have intended to separate this into two articles for some time but haven't gotten around to it. Rmhermen 14:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
And are candy apples different from toffee apples? The toffee apples I have had in England always have a brown, toffee coating, whereas the candy apples I have had in America have had the red candy coating. DavidFarmbrough 09:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
IMHO one article should be OK. They all seem very similar. --Kjoonlee 10:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Having read the articles and comments I think there should only be the one article. Toffee apples (which are different clearly in that they have TOFFEE on them), candy apples, caramel apples, or whatever, maybe they have different coating, but the basic principal is the same. Do we need a seperate article for Orange Smarties? (or for our American readers, Red M&Ms and Blue M&Ms). If there were a move to gauge support for the merge, then I would have to support a merge. But the article should be better in general to explain the different types of, erm, sweet covered apples. --SnakeSeries 12:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

We could also consider that there is a world outside of America, and in the English speaking parts of this world, "toffee apple" is the most commonly used description for this type of confectionary. 15:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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The Candy Apple and Caramel Apple used to be combined, but were intentionally split. I'm not sure a merge is warrented. -- RM 14:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I split them so obviously I don't agree. These are very different items. One is covered in rock hard candy, the other is covered in soft gooey caramel and usually other additional items like nuts or chocolates. not the same at all. Not to mention that each item has at least two different names to keep straight (a mistake I made when initially splitting the article). Though when they were combined they were a mess of contradictions, too. Rmhermen 21:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Candy/toffee apples and caramel apples are two different things and while it is a good idea to have a link to caramel apple from candy apple and vice versa, they are different and should remain separate. From an international perspective, half of my family lives in the U.S. and half in Canada. The Canadians all eat candy apples, while the Americans eat caramel apples...it's nearly impossible to find a candy apple where I live live in the States even though my grocer has more caramel apples than they know what to do with. Caramel apples are almost always covered in nuts along with a layer of caramel, whilst candy apples have no nuts and a candied coating. They're just different foods and should be different pages. After all, we make a distinction between a chardonnay and a sauvignon blanc. Having said that, if there were some generic term (not candy or caramel), then I MIGHT support a new/merge article which described different types of apples. Mgturn 01:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, given the basic commonality in making these things, give or take a few degrees of heat on the sugar, I would have kept them together. At the risk of stirring up yet another Brit/Am thing, if "in many parts of the U.S. and Canada where candy apples are simply unheard of" then might it be a concession to WP:CSB to move this article to toffee apple, which is the only name for any "apple-on-stick" treats in the UK? At least it would be recognisable to North Americans as a cognate of "taffy apple", whereas "candy apple" is pretty meaningless to Brits. In fact I'd guess the (surprising) lack of British contributions to this page reflects that 'alien' name. As an aside, in the UK as well as getting the bright red commercial ones at fairgrounds etc, they're often made at home (eg BBC recipe). FlagSteward 13:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
They are two different thing, taffee or caramel is a soft and chewy coating while candy is a rock hard (and flavored) coating which allows no additional "mix-in". An American wouldn't call a candy apple a toffee apple or a taffy apple. In fact I had never seen a candy apple growing up in Illinois (they are seen in Michigan though). We made and ate caramel/taffy apples. Moving it would only add to the confusion of people who have never seen one - expecting it to be a red colored varient of a chewy coated apple. Rmhermen 13:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I also re-cleaned up caramel apple, where you mistakenly confused taffee apples with candy apples. Taffee apple is another name for caramel, not toffee (in apple coatings, at least). Rmhermen 14:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)