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[edit] Adding Groups

The article says FAMOUS examples. So quit adding random Canadian groups that have had minor success. I took a lot off and there are still some little known groups on there, so feel free to take those off. And feel freeto re-add those groups or add new groups but show a little discretion. ~Scorpion0422

And only your definition of "famous" applies right? I agree, there are some pretty regional acts listed, but Rheostatics, Alannah Myles (sp), Amanda Marshall, Terry Jacks... all achieved fame. Outriggr 23:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I realise everyones criteria for what qualifies as famous is different, but I mainly left all the groups that are 20+ years old on as well as some of newer groups that have had a lot of recent success. The ones I took off were all groups I hadn't heard of. But Like I said, feel free to re-add any I took off. I was in a rush when I took those names off and thus probbaly took some big ones off/left some small ones off. Don't forget: This is a list of ROCK, not POP. That's why I took Daniel Powter off. ~Scorpion0422

What's the deal with the bad alphabetization? Paul Anka- regardless of whether or not he belongs on ANY "rock" list- should be an "A" and not a "P." Jack, August 01, 2006


how about adding Default? They're one of the most famous and popular Canadian rock bands!

Adding to that how come there's no information on what is probably going to end up in the elite league of the 'best enduring heavy metal band of the world' - Annihilator. Agreed that more often than not, its ends up looking like 'The Jeff Waters Band', but this page definitely needs some mention of that band.

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It's time to add a separate section for Finger Eleven. They have had a couple hits here in the US, a theme song in the WWE, and Paralyzer is a runaway hit across the rock and pop charts.
Streetheart was huge in Canada for a lot of years, big headliner, could use its own section.
Wide Mouth Mason had three or four hits in Canada and they toured the US as an opener for Johnny Lang. They should be in there somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.251.204.240 (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Almost forgot Tupelo Honey. I heard Why I Bother down here, otherwise I never would have heard of them. Great single, got a couple weeks airplay on the local modern rock stations. I don't know how it did in Canada.

[edit] The List

I was wondering if we should just cut out the list of groups. There is already a list of bands from Canada and people are continually adding random groups. So maybe we should just cut out the entire thing. Unfortunately, without the lists, there isn't much of a page. Any suggestions? -- Scorpion0422 17:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

"The List", like all Wiki-lists, are hit and miss as far as merit. For the most part the list is manageable as long as there are no nn or "dead" links added in. I've done shows with more than half the bands/artists on the list and they have all achieved enough career success to pass the Wiki-notability test. It's bloated, but doesn't really need any trimming. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 17:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Then we should remove the part that says famous, because only half of of those groups have achieved consistant mainstream success, and only a handful have been successful in the United States. I think the article needs more content, because without the list, there really isn't a lot. -- Scorpion0422 15:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I do agree that the list is bloated. As for famous, I don't think US fame should be a criteria. It's a "Canadian rock" article so a decent level of "Canadian fame" should do. Judging fame can be tricky. Anne Murray is probably...globally...the most famous Canadian artist(Soft rock is still rock) on the entire list and I think you tried to delete her. Max Webster/Kim Mitchell...one of the most unique Canadian rock artists of all time. Kim Mitchell's 'Go For Soda' was a big hit in the US and was used in ads by MADD. And I think you deleted him too? It would be nice if each entry had some little blurb about who they are or some little notable tidbit. But too much info can be overkill since all the entries have Wiki-articles of their own.[there is a fine line between content and crap :) ] Is there a "Canadian Rock" project?(or Canadian music in general) If there isn't then maybe we should start one?(like I'm not stretched too thin on here already!) Cheers! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 16:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
If I deleted Kim Mitchell, it was an accident. As for Anne Murray, I dispute your claim that she is the most famous Canadian musical artist, but I deleted her because she is not rock. But, she's listed in the new format now, so... -- Scorpion0422 16:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

What's with the dots across the top of this article? Rather than have the references in the body of the article, they're all up here. Why? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 21:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


I agree need to Make REF better i will take the time soon to make them proper but feel free to take the time.Lucifers hammer 02:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I find it's easier to do it right the first time than to go back and fix it later. Also, please note that a reference is a link to an article that gives data about a statement. Don't add a reference to a list of search results or to the root page of a web site; it needs to be a link that takes you directly to an article describing what you're talking about. For example, if you say that so-and-so won a Juno award in some year, any reference there should be to a web page that tells you exactly that, not to a search page or the main Juno Awards page. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 01:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


we have now made it into Articles with unsourced statements we need to find the page at the Juno Awards that list all the winners, I see that wa have an artical called Juno Award can we use this as our Juno REF's ????????? --216.106.111.138 20:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)Sorry forgot to sign in ---Lucifers hammer--

No, you can't use other Wikipedia pages as references. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 23:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE ADD References


[edit] Sum 41

Artical a little big —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lucifers hammer (talk • contribs) 19:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Agreed - I removed some of it as part of my cleanup. We don't need to list every award a band has ever won on this page, do that on the band's real page. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 21:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Originally we only mentioned Grammy award wins/nominations, but random users started adding more awards to various sections. -- Scorpion0422 22:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] puffery

the page generally looks great, but after reading some of the text, thought I should comment that some of the descriptions seem to be inflated. Seems to be advocating on behalf of April Wine to get more awards, for example. Trooper's "legendary status" in Canada? a bit overstate, and this is the first I've heard that there was ever a "Canadian invasion" of the US by rock bands (comedians maybe). Also, it's not too clear what the parameters are, i.e., why some bands are featured with a paragraph and others not. Just some thoughts. Just wondering what others think before jumping in and mucking about. Bobanny 16:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree the text needs work. Some of the "puffery" has been toned down, but it still reads the an article from a mucis magazine rather than an encyclopedia. The individual entries (if they're to stay like this at all) also need to be self-contained. The Hip section starts thusly: "No band benefited more from that landscape, however, than The Tragically Hip" which implies a comparison, but to whom? And what does it even mean? Sounds like they were making use of the hills as amplifiers or something. And what does this line mean: "Unlike the Guess Who, The Tragically Hip's lyrics proudly wore their Canadian perspective on their sleeves"? "Runnin' Back to Saskatoon" doesn't have a Canadian perspective? A lot of clean up to be done... Matt Deres 20:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three Days Grace

"They were also nominated for best New Group Of The Year in 2004." Which award? The Junos? -- Scorpion 15:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sheriff

Why isn't Sheriff on the page? They had a #1 Hit in both Canada and US. One member went on to create the band Alias with the 3 Canadian members of Heart. No mention of Alias either. They had a #2 hit in the U.S. 91.17.240.87 16:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1990s

How come Our Lady Peace doesn't have its own section? They were just as big as I Mother Earth or The Tea Party, if not, bigger. They should definitely be included among those groups. And I think Sloan as well.(Pwnage8 05:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

I agree i have added them:-)

5.4 Indie rock

This does not sound right for this page "VERY OPINIONATED" SHOULD BE redone our "deleted"

YES / NO your OPINION PLS write back

"It can be difficult for an indie group to break through in Canada because there is no nationwide rock station. In England, the BBC has its own nationwide rock network and any indie group that can get onto the playlist instantly gets nationwide play. It was because of this that groups like Oasis and Blur were able to become internationally famous. In Canada, on the other hand, although rock bands may get some exposure from outlets such as MuchMusic or CBC Radio 3, on terrestrial radio bands must largely rely on building an audience city by city, as each commercial radio station makes its playlist decisions independently." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.128.49 (talk) 03:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)