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Contents 1 assessment 2 Canadian Embassies 3 I saw an omission 4 Fair use rationale for Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg 6 Fair use rationale for Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Shoulder-patch.gif 8 Choice of infobox.

[edit] assessment

needs references--SGGH 11:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

--Most of this stuff is on the forces.gc.ca website, or mpmuseum.ca. The part about MPs being peace officers is somewhere imbedded in the justice.gc.ca website, it's very difficult to find however. All of this information is correct, though.

[edit] Canadian Embassies

This isn't really discussion, but are they guarded by the Military Police at all the embassies or mostly by private firms?

Reply: I'm an MP reservist, and as far as I know, security at embassies are ^usually^ provided by the MPs.

• Embassy security is the responsibility of the Military Security Guard Unit (not a great name since they're not 'security guards') out of Ottawa. Members are posted to MSGU, then seconded to DFAIT and sent where they're needed. Flakeloaf 07:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I saw an omission

quote they cannot arrest non-members under the National Defence Act but may do so at the request of Minister of Public Safety, the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Commissioner of Corrections.unquote

being peace officers under the criminal code of Canada military police may arrest any person, military or civilian whom they find committing a criminal offense. I don't know if that omission was intentional or otherwise but the article reads like military police need to play 'mother may I' with other organizations before they can do their jobs. They don't need anyone's permission to arrest civilians as long as they follow the criminal code of Canada and charter of rights just like any other cop.

I tried to edit this but cannot find the right place to edit this introduction. The nearest edit sent me to the history of the military police section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.181.48 (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Shoulder-patch.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Choice of infobox.

Are there any obections if I change the infobox from military unit to law enforcement agency?

Canadian Forces Military Police
Free use image for patch.
Free use image for .
Motto	Securitas
	Securing
Agency Overview
Formed	1967
Employees	1,250
Legal personality	Governmental agency
Jurisdictional Structure
Federal agency	Canada
General nature	Military police Federal law enforcement
Operational Structure
Agency executive	Captain Steve Moore, Canadian Forces Provost Marshal
Parent agency	Canadian Forces
Website
http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/cfpm/intro_e.asp

The new infobox would look like:

{{Infobox Law enforcement agency
| agencyname      = Canadian Forces Military Police
| commonname      = 
| abbreviation    = 
| patch           =<!--Non-free image removed:  Shoulder-patch.gif-->
| patchcaption    = 
| logo            =<!--Non-free image removed:  Mplogo_b.gif-->
| logocaption     = Crest of the CF Military Police
| badge           = 
| badgecaption    = 
| flag            = 
| flagcaption     = 
| motto           = Securitas
| mottotranslated = Securing
| mission         = 
| formed          = [[1967]]
| preceding1      = 
| employees       = 1,250
| volunteers      = 
| budget          = 
| nongovernment   =
| country         = Canada
| federal         = Yes
| map             = 
| mapcaption      = 
| sizearea        = 
| sizepopulation  = 
| legaljuris      = 
| governingbody   = 
| governingbodyscnd = 
| constitution1   = 
| police          = Yes
| military        = Yes
| overviewtype    = 
| overviewbody    = 
| headquarters    = 
| hqlocmap        = 
| hqlocleft       = 
| hqloctop        = 
| hqlocmappoptitle = 
| sworntype       = 
| sworn           = 
| unsworntype     = 
| unsworn         = 
| electeetype     = 
| minister1name   = 
| minister1pfo    = 
| chief1name      = [[Captain]] [[Steve Moore]] 
| chief1position  = [[Canadian Forces Provost Marshal]]
| parentagency    = [[Canadian Forces]]
| child1agency    = 
| unittype        = 
| unitname        = 
| officetype      = 
| officename      = 
| stationtype     =
| stations        = 
| lockuptype      =
| lockups         = 
| vehicle1type    = 
| vehicles1       = 
| boat1type       = 
| boats1          = 
| aircraft1type   = 
| aircraft1       = 
| animal1type     = 
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| website         = http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/cfpm/intro_e.asp
| footnotes       = 
}}

Peet Ern (talk) 08:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Open for comment for 7 weeks: No concerns expressed.

New infobox added Y Done Peet Ern (talk) 07:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't notice this before - but I will object. As much as the MP being a law enforcement 'agency' in its own right, it is still a branch of the CF and the 2 over-sized blurry logos are, for a lack of better word, ugly and out of place.--Cahk (talk) 22:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Cahk, thanks for coming back with comments. I too agree that the images are ugly. An earlier version of the infobox did not have this problem, but someone changed the template without discussion. I am looking at away to fix the problem without getting into an edit conflict on the infobox template.

Image size added, and in this instance reduced. Y Done Peet Ern (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it fair to say that your main concern is whether the infobox choice and hence 'personality' of the article should be miltary unit first and law enforcement agency second versus law enforcement agency first and military unit second ? Obviously my view is that the unit only exists for law enforcement purposes, and is not 'just another' combat or logistics unit. Your thoughts ?

Peet Ern (talk) 01:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your it's main and sole purpose is a law enforcement agency, but it's a military law enforcement unit. Similar to Royal Air Force Police (there are no other MP examples who have infobox), the CFMP is still a military unit, ultimately responsible to the Commander in Chief.--Cahk (talk) 06:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you are saying here. Because there are limited examples just means perhaps that they have not been edited up yet. Indeed, I intend to go through the whole lot over the next few months, so by then there would be many examples of MP using the lea infobox. There might actually be a strogner argument for the CFMP to be lea infoboxed than some other MP because it can be given authority to act on civilians (according to the article) where as many other MP cannot ? Peet Ern (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I meant most military police (if it exists) wiki page don't have infobox - the ones that do have are RAFP and a few US ones that use Gov agency box instead. Canadian MPs generally cannot police civilians despite being peace officer unless at the request of another agency.--Cahk (talk) 06:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)