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"During the mid-1980s at a time of increased nationalism following the blatant 1985 violation of Canadian sovereignty in the Northwest Passage by the USCGC Polar Sea, the Conservative administration of Brian Mulroney announced plans to build several enormous icebreakers, the Polar 8 class which would be used primarily for sovereignty patrols."

is written from a Canadian perspective. The United States has maintained for decades that the Northwest Passage is part of the "high seas" and should be treated as such - similar to the Strait of Gibraltar, the Danish Straits (some of which pass betwen only Danish territory), the English Channel, tte Corfu Channel, and the Straits of Malacca - open to free passage by all and not subject to control by one power.

I think this section should be written in more neutral language to reflect the existence of alternate points of view.

One possible might be: "During the mid-1980s, the long-standing but polite disagreement between the U.S. and Canada over the legal status of the Northwest Passage came to a head after the passage of the USCGC Polar Sea through the Passage in what were asserted by Canada to be Canadian waters and by the U.S. to be international waters. During the period of increased nationalism that followed this event, the Conservative administration of ...."

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e1/53180.htm

https://www.westga.edu/~canconf/Charron.htm

[edit] Images -- most of these images have tags that are no longer valid

Most of the images on this article are from the DFO's Canadian Coast Guard web-site. The DFO allows their images to be re-used conditionally. The two conditions are:

  1. Non-commercial
  2. Credit given
  3. No misrepresentation

Apparently, after internal discussion, it has been decided that the tags applied to these DFO images are no longer valid. Thos images may be deleted any time now.

Some other images were tagged as {PD-Self}. And another skeptical wikipedian accused the uploader of {copyvio}. Personally, I think the accuser went too far -- they accused the uploader without providing any substantiation.

So, is there another, newer tag, that would allow these images to be retained?

I used google to look for some images of CCG vessels and aircraft that would be tagged with {PD-USGov}. I found some, from joint operations. So, if those that we have been warned will be deleted are deleted, we won't be left without any images whatsoever. They aren't as good as the earlier images.

We should keep planning ahead, and looking for new images. -- Geo Swan 15:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images with liscenses that have been challenged

[edit] Images with liscenses that are OK -- so far

Here are the images with tags that have not been challenged
Canadian Coast Guard Bell 206.jpg
Henry larsen.jpg
RV John P. Tully.gif

These two images look identical, but have different websites, with different liscenses, and different resolutions

Henry larsen.jpg
Ccgs henry larsen.jpg

[edit] Finding new images

I've exchanged some comments with a wikipedian who tagged most of the DFO images the CCG article were using with a tag that suggested they would soon be removed. I will regret the disappearance of those images. But I think the wikipedian who tagged them was correct,

Someone asked me if I thought we could find another liscence that those images could be classified, that would allow us to keep them.

Rather than putting my response on their talk page I thought I would respond here...

I am not really an expert on liscenses, I am just an amateur. In my amateur understanding he is correct -- the DFO and the DND liscenses impose restrictions on those who re-use the images, The wikipedia's use of the images is not commercial. But we can't police those who download and re-use images they found on our site. I regret the loss of those images as much as you do. But I think we have to grit our teeth, and look for alternate images. Did you see I found a bunch of PD images of CCG vessels by restricting my google searches to the ".mil" and ".gov" domains? Pictures taken by US federal employees, as part of their duties, are generally in the public domain. Unfortunately most of those US images are inferior to the DFO images.
Our only hope of using the DFO and DND images Denniss flagged would be to convince the ministries to alter the permissions they offered on their web-site, to remove the unrealistic restriction that we try to control how our end-users use the image. Realistically they can't control how their end-users use their images. I recognized several images of CCG vessels, used, without credit or attribution, on the US sites where end-users could reasonably assume all uncredited images were PD, were duplicates of pictures on the DFO site. -- Geo Swan 06:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)