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Some previous history of this article from before the move is at camping (recreation). I moved this article since virtually all links (30 to 1) are to camping as recreation not camping as video game cheating. Rmhermen 18:05, Jan 8, 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. This is a case where it would possibly be better to have the camping (recreation) article here, and include a note about the other meaning of camping, with link to that article. Thoughts? Evercat 16:20 16 May 2003 (UTC)

I disagree. I created this page when there were but two uses of the word, but now there are numerous uses of the word listed. If there were but two uses, I think it'd be okay to have the camping (recreation) as the default with links to the others (e.g. at the top of the article). But since there are so many possible meanings listed here, I think its better to leave it as it is. Just MHO of course. :-) -Frecklefoot 18:03 16 May 2003 (UTC)

OK. Though I'm unsure that political camps or sports camps should be here, since they aren't really related to camping, the verb. And I have no idea why football is here. Evercat 18:06 16 May 2003 (UTC)

I thought some of the references were pretty obscure too. :-) If no one writes an article for any of the links in, say, a month, should we revisit this and move the camping (recreation) article to the top? -Frecklefoot 18:20 16 May 2003 (UTC)

A game of football? Do tell. Kingturtle 17:51 16 May 2003 (UTC)

I'd never heard of it either, but according to this page, camping was a mediaeval game played in East Anglia. --Camembert

handaxe needs disambiguation, though I always like to have some flints on me. --Yak 18:27, Mar 17, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Clean up intro

I am removing this from the second graf unless it can be sourced:

It continues to be a response to the increasing urbanization and isolation of Western society. Camping is often associated with a sense of nostalgia or of romanticism for 'the times of our fathers'. It simultaneously evokes images of 'oneness with nature' and 'man against nature' - independence and self-sufficiency ... Camping divides those who enjoy it from those who do not more distinctly than most other common leisure activities.

Daniel Case 13:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bbq

is barbecue considered a staple in camping? there is no mention of it in this article. Chensiyuan 16:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That depends on your definition of barbecue. Roasting hot dogs over a campfire is pretty common, as far as I can tell, and people cook all sorts of things in hot coals, but I haven't seen many barbecue grills at campsites. --Smack (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Depends people camping with large RVs may bring a barbeque grill. People tent camping probably won't - but cooking on a campfire is common. Rmhermen 22:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Developed campsites in the western U.S. commonly have barbecue grills installed, either as part of a fire ring or at waist height on a pole for easier cooking. Those campsites attract both RVers and tent campers. -Will Beback · † · 23:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
You're right; grills built into fire rings are common, but I'm not sure whether or not that's considered barbecue. --Smack (talk) 05:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
There's barbecue and then there's "barbecue". A bbq can be another name for a charcoal grill, or it can refer to an elaborate process of slowly cooking hunks of meat with a tasty marinade in a specialized roaster. I'd presumed that Chensiyuan meant the simple grill. -Will Beback · † · 08:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thanks all on your input. im not from a part of the world where camping is commonplace. by 'barbecue' i simply meant cooking food over an outdoor fire.

OK, I've added the grills to this sentence:

  • Most campers prefer to use sites with special facilities such as fire rings, barbecue grills, bathrooms and utilities, but not all campsites offer similar levels of development.

Does that sound right? -Will Beback · † · 09:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

sounds all right to me.Chensiyuan 09:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Sounsd Non-NPOV to me... can you source that? I know alot of people who prefer NOT to stay at campsites w/ grills and firepits (and lots of noisy RV's and stupid tourists)... etc. Leif902 13:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Good point. How about:
  • 'Many campgrounds have sites with special facilities such as fire rings, barbecue grills, bathrooms and utilities, but not all campsites have similar levels of development.
Is that better?
-Will Beback · † · 23:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds better to me. --Smack (talk) 05:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Urban camping

What about camping out for video games or a large sale?

Well, if we've got a source for it we could include something. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 05:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A couple of proposed revisions

  • In Section "Definitions": "Survivalist campers set off with little more than their boots...." Most "survivalists" I know (and that ain't many, but I consider myself one...) would not think of setting off without a bug-out bag at minimum (if given the choice.) The only exception I can think of is survival tests (self-imposed or otherwise,) which I, at least, wouldn't consider "camping." I'm not saying that ultralight backpackers (and perhaps others) don't go camping with no gear, just the term "survivalist" here.
So I'd propose the weasely "Some campers set off..." or "Ultralight backpackers set off..." etc.
  • "The most comfortable form of camping uses recreational vehicles (RVs), essentially wheeled houses." Can someone point out an objective reliable source which suggests an RV is the most comfortable? I've stayed in RVs, Campers, and Pop-Ups. Personally, I find a tent to be the most comfortable. I know of others who believe anything less than open sky is not comfortable. Now if that were "The most expensive form of..." I'd buy it, so to speak.  ;) Is there a better way to phrase this sentence that won't tick off crusty old tent campers like me?
Agreed, "comfort" is relative and possibly POV. I changed it to "range of amenities". While comfort may be arguable, it's hard to say that an RV doesn't have more amenities than a backpacking tent. Hope that helps. --Rehcsif 19:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, I just went bold and added "and privately owned campgrounds" to the introduction. Hope that's OK with everyone. 02:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

  • "One form of bicycle touring combines camping with cycling. The bicycle is used to carry the gear and as the primary means of transportation, allowing greater distances to be covered than backpacking although less capacity for storage." Where does this come from? Less? More it should be! You can take whatever you can in backpacking on your back (roughly), plus you can [bags to the side of your bike]. So I think "although less" should be "and more". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 158.64.77.146 (talk) 12:22, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glamping

I created a page for glamping (a portmanteau for glamorous camping) and it got deleted - although I admit it wasn't much info at first. If someone knows more about it, we could put a section on here that 'glamping' redirects to.JW (talk) 19:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)