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[edit] WHAT ABOUT THE MUSIC?

Try mentioning the music. The 80's cheezy rock samples and the hyper-alliteration that makes Cam's and the Dipset's rhyming style kinda unique. All this article is is beef beef beef, which Cam does exploit, to be sure. But still, lets have more mention of the music. The music is likely what drew as many to Dipset as all the petty controversy.

[edit] DIPLOMAT RECORDS

Can somebody change the year from 2007 to Present because Cam is still in Dipset and Diplomat Records.

I am banned so I cannot do it.

[edit] Killa Season album sales

i've noticed that alot of people seem to be changing the sales figures on that one. well i found these two pages:

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?referrerid=19874&t=168941

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http://therapup.blogspot.com/2006/07/soundscan-chart-july-17th-july-24th.html

now, accourding to these sources, killa season had sold roughly 205,000 copies total by the middle of june, and 234,000 total by the end of july. i decided to do some math. factor in that cam'ron dropped on the 16th of may and sold 114,000 copies his first week, 38,000 his second[1], 25,000 his third[2], 16,000 his forth, 12,000 his 5th, and about 5-7 thousand each week after that. now, since most artist's sales figures fall off significantly over the course of an album's shelf life, i figured he at least did 28k in the month of august. and had at least a 4,000 drop off each subsequent month that followed. bringing his total since then to about 108,000 sold. which means he has sold roughly 342,000 copies to date.

and btw, if someone has proof killa season has sold more, please submit a valid link proving otherwise. don't just type asylum records verified it, and when i go to their site to check it out i don't find a single thing that backs up that statement. let's keep things unbias.

[edit] Inaccuracies

The whole IBS reference in the FIRST paragraph seems a little unnecessary...

I agree. --Zimbabweed 03:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

This is one of the sloppiest articles on Wiki. It's definitely cool but someone needs to clean this bad boy up.

jay-z or one of his fans made a swagger jacker 2, in wich there are examples where camron is biting --195.96.119.90 16:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, he probably did. But in my personal opinion, if Cam'ron does it, he does it funny. Jay-Z just bites and ain't even funny with what he takes from B.I.G and elsewhere. So Cam 1 Jay 0 (Of course, this is just my opinion - as I pointed out). --A-ixemy 03:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
people hella overstate how much Hov bites. plus he obviously looked up to BIG, don't see what the huge deal is.
not you but i've read way too many lame comments elsewhere 'bout "well Hov wouldn't be able to write if he stopped biting from Biggie." my left nut
need to get into some Cam'ron though, i ain't really heard anything to judge, other than that track "Down and Out" (dope Kanye beat.) ya got any album suggestions -- hear Purple Haze's supposed to be good 64.7.89.54 08:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


On Jim Jones' Hot97 interview, he states he never called or spoke to Curtis to "clarify Cam's comments" or whatever it says under the section about Cam and 50's beef.

CAM IS A DON! CURTIS WHAT A FAKE BLOOD! SUWOOOOP!

[edit] Bias and vandalism

There seems to be a lot of bias against Cam'ron and many acts of vandalism on this page especially in the Feuds section and alot of changes in the discography section. Right now all of the information is correct but from time to time things get erased and changed. Somebody should really take some time and remove anything that seems unecessary.


I agree, though it almost seems useless with the rabid vandalism. MarsAttacks 03:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we could make this a protected page? I'm not sure how it works but it would be best if only those registered can edit this page.

Alright I think it's time to start blocking this repeated vandalizer (and only vandalizer of this page) if anybody could do it for me I would really appreciate it because I admit I'm a newbie to this this stuff. But the same ip 71.246.92.xxx is constantly editing the discography section. I have contuiually gave him warnings but I think the rate at which it is happening is getting out of hand. Can somebody report and block this ip..thanks in advance.--Datpiff 02:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


Whoever keeps changing Cam'ron's sales numbers in the disography section needs to go and check out RIAA.com [3]. Cam'ron only has two gold and one platinum album. please stop changing the numbers and let's keep things unbias.--thetruth86 02:10, 04 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's a dispute of actual figures; they are vandalizing it and it's always the same person from the ip range 71.246.92.xxx.--Datpiff 07:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There are several sources besides the RIAA confirming that Cam'ron went gold with S.D.E. from Yahoo! Music [4], askmen.com [5], and Cam'ron himself. Asylum records also confirms the certifications [6].--Datpiff 00:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey I found another source from the washington post confirming the gold albums[7].

[edit] Citations

Could somebody cite those awards and nominations. I tried my best but couldn't figure it out; the information is accurate but just needs to be cited.

I found the citation for the cam 50 spat "http://media.hot97.com/_SHARED/podcasts/angie_50cent_02012007.mp3"

In the feuding section it is said that jim jones called to clear up the beef but jim jones says that is a lie so that infois disputable here is the interviewhttp://www.xclusivetrax.com/index.php?option=com_traxartist&task=playSong&id=3750#play

[edit] Year of Birth

He was born in 1976, not 1978. He stated it himself in the intro to Purple Haze. [8]

Race Why Does It Say He Is An Afican-American Puerto Rican Rapper This Dosent Make Much Sense I Thought He Was Full African-American And If This Is Which Of His Parents Are Of An African-American Desent And Which On Is Of A Puerto Rican Desent I Really Dont Belive He Is Half Purto Rican Is There Any Proof

He is half Dominican. He has mentioned it many times in the past. That should be common knowledge by now. cerebralshrike 03:12, February 5 2007 (UTC)


prove it that hes half dominican because reports say that he is half panamanian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meccareal (talk • contribs) 18:29, July 20, 2007


besides when the hell he say he was dominican, i understand panamanian, and Puerto Rican(and besides he did play a Puerto Rican in Paid In Full so it makes sense he Puerto Rican or Panamanian). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.70.50 (talk • contribs) 03:38, August 1, 2007

[edit] Birth Date

he says in the album intro (purple haze) his birth date is "2 zero 4, 76" Feb 4, 1976 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.49.222.48 (talk) 20:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC).Cam'ron is half Puerto Rican, and Half African American. Its common sense look at his last name Giles. Cam'Ron father is Puerto Rican, and his mother is African American similar to Jim Jones except his mother is of aruban ancestry, and Jim Jones father is Puerto rican.


charrissee(detroit)=i already knew he was puerto rican or atleast half and this further proves me right.

[edit] The Bias

This guy bellow me is an idiot. he's the one that has been editting this page every day messing it up with bias bs. here are the links that comfirm kill season has NOT gone gold or sold well. linklinklink

Alright, now me being a Diplomat fan I can spot the obvious bias thats in this article, first off the part that states:

"Cam'rons fifth studio album, also titled Killa Season was released on May 16th, 2006, and flopped on the charts"

A word like "flopped" is obviously an insulting term instead of "did not succeed well".

And also I would like to point out that Killa Season is gold as of December 25, 2006 and sold around 700k worldwide despite the constant editing to the record sales.

The album was also critically aclaimed by Diplomat fans, most notebly on the official Diplomat site forums, as being one of Camron's best projects

Also, Killa Season marks the official abandonment of his Roc-a-fella influenced style to a new all Dipset influence, and more collaborations with sub-Diplomat artists like Max B and 40 Cal.

Clean this one up for the fans and keep it neutral.


^your lying. killa season has NOT gone gold. i checked hitsdailydouble.com, billboard.com and riaa.com, and he has ONLY sold 391,000 copies to date. damn, we definetely need to make a option to prevent dipset dickeriders like this person from constantly editting the cam'ron article and im also gay.


LOL im a huge dipset fan n i know Killa Season hasn't gone gold. Stick with the music, not the sales, WHO FUKIN CARES!!!!???

^^Big Dips fan too, good fuckin point. name01870 - 3-1-07

[edit] Shooting innaccuracies

The section on Cam'ron's shooting incident is very innacurate. First of all, this sections says that he was shot twice in his right arm and once in his left. Later on it says the exact opposite. Also, in the Washington Post article it said "...was shot in both arms after stopping..." and "I got shot three times..." So, he was shot three times but it doesn't say how many times and where. Maybe the general information is inaccurate. An article at [9] says he was shot once. So what are we to believe?
For now I have changed the text in this section to read he was shot at least one time (because this is obviously the truth). Boaf 04:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's use our wording carefully here. That article you cited says he was "struck at least once". Also, just because the Washington Post article says he was "shot in both arms after stopping", it doesn't mean he was only shot twice. You can be shot in both arms (3 times in total) and still be described as being "shot in both arms." Spellcast 12:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] college?

In the article Children of the Corn (band), it says that Cam'ron left Children of the Corn to persue a basketball carreer and then went to college. There is no mention of college here. Anyone know anything about that? Virsingh 14:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah go look up Childeren of the corn it says that he quite because he wanted to become a basketball player but quite then sold drugs and then got back to music when ma$e signed to bad boy then ma$e introduced him to B.I.G. then Biggie helped cam'ron out by getting him a manager a a record deal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yorenounico (talk • contribs) 21:25, August 21, 2007

[edit] wtf??

i just wanted to say that camron started his career in 1995 not 1997.... if yall dont believe it listen tonigga 8 Iz Enuff from Big L's first album "Lifestylez Ov Da Poor and Dangerous"......

[edit] Wow, camron is an IDIOT

This "stop snitching" movement is so stupid. How low are people's morals today? I'm a minor and haven't bought into this shit, yet this moron does. Everyone should know that Cam'ron and ANYONE in Diplomats do not represent Hip Hop at all...

  • I totally agree with you. If I see a crime, I'm going to tell. I mean, it's anonymous anyway. If someone close to him got shot and it was his friend or whatever, I bet he wouldn't snitch. He is such a loser, I HATE him!!! And he gives HIP HOP a HORRIBLE name!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.8.232.118 (talk) 04:04, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cam'ron no longer part of Dipset

According to Miss Info's website (MissInfo.tv) Cam'ron could no longer be part of the Diplomats. Here's what Miss Info posted:

wow…..I have no words….well I have words, but I’m stunned. Just got off the phone with Jim Jones….(background: I’ve known Jimmy and Cam long before I was “Miss Info” so I’ve seen both of their careers develop over the years from both a professional standpoint and as a friend).

Wow…..

anyways, Jim told me, “on the record,” that he and the whole rest of the Diplomats crew, or the Dipset 300 as he put it….that they are collectively “putting Cam’ron on punishment.”

Are Jimmy and Juelz ex-communicating Cam’ron from Dipset? Can they even do that, since Cam’ron owns the brand? Just marinate on that for a moment.

This Monday night, Jimmy is gonna be on the show…Funkmaster Flex (featuring Miss Info’s Celebrity Drama) on Hot97, so its pretty safe to say, that conversation is gonna shut down the city (and the world, thanks to the web). If you have an Amp’d Mobile phone, you can also hear it streaming live on your cell. Jim didnt want me to give everything away before he hits Funk Flex but he reached out today because we’ve known each other for a long time…..

Ok, on Monday, I’m pretty sure Jimmy is gonna share his feelings on this past week’s alleged incident in which Tru Life allegedly punched Cam’ron outside of Club Stereo. Remember, Cam’s camp has denied this happened. Jimmy has some shocking suspicions about what went down and why….

To be real, I’m still in shock about what Jimmy said, but obviously there have been many signs of dissension in the ranks. If you look at the separation of projects, some public showings with noticeable absences, and then those interesting comments from 50 cent about Jim Jones during the 50-vs-Cam beef.

Now, to be fair, I’m gonna reach out to Cam’ron and get his side of the situation….and I’m sure he’ll speak to Flex too. But while we all wait for the other shoe to drop on Monday night with Flex….I’ll leave you with a quote from Jimmy.

“Me and Cam’ron havent spoken to each other in a year…. I kept quiet out of loyalty, I felt like if we cant be friends then at least we can do business together….But now I can’t be next to you….I’m threw wit being in hot water because of you….We still the Diplomats. We worked too hard to achieve our own success and now we’re gonna do something new….”

wow. Remember where you heard it first….Miss Info, Celebrity Drama, there’ll be more on Monday night when Jim Jones talks to Funkmaster Flex, on Hot97 NYC

Update on Cam'ron feud with dipset UPDATE: According to an inside source, Juelz Santana is not siding against Cam….I’m confused and I hope all these guys meet in the middle and work things out peacefully. They’ve been friends since childhood, so you gotta think there’s a chance to resolve things. Right?

UPDATE 2: According to a Dipset insider, there are other members of Dipset who are also totally taken by surprise by this sentiment from Jim Jones, and they are also not in agreement. Cam’ron is not even in New York so that’s why he has been unavailable for comment on this.

HOLD UP A SECOND! this article needs to be fixed! it says cam is no longer part of dipset. are you kidding? he's on the cd that dropped today with jim jones as well. nothing has been confirmed. no one even knows if jim jones even said that. someone needs to delete that blip.

[edit] Removed statement

I removed the following statement about him allegedly co-operating with police in the past. I'm not against this info being added, it's just that it's misleading because the source doesn't care to explain how he co-operated; it merely shows a mugshot of him. If anyone can find a source that explains how he did, then reinsert it, otherwise it's misleading. Spellcast 07:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm the one who put it in there. The link I used as a reference has two pages to it. The second page is a scan of a NYPD report that shows him making a complaint to the NYPD that he was assaulted in a park. The bottom of the first page has a clickable link to the second page. I'll go ahead and put it back in on the assumption that you didn't see the second page. If you have a further dispute with the information, please feel free to remove it and we can continue the discussion here. If you would rather I link directly to the second page as a reference I can do that. The reason I didn't is that it's a police report with alot of police jargon and acronyms. (The police report logs a statement he made while apparently still at the hospital and is in abbreviated form.) I simply felt the first page gave a better explanation of what the reader would see on the second page. I apologize for putting it in a second time without discussing it with you first. I didn't look back far enough in the history and thought my addition was removed unintentionally in a different revert. Sperril 05:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tru-Life????

How about under controversy you add tru-life. The dude is indeed a no-name, but it definitely needs to be added for this article to remain accurate. Also, i agree with other ppl here that Killa Season has definitely NOT gone gold...check the links someone left. User:DaBaron07 17:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)DaBaron07

Killa Season is Gold Now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.70.50 (talk • contribs) 22:59, August 1, 2007

[edit] I Effin Hate Camron

I think Camron has way too much power over what men think. It's like when they listen to his music, they automatically do the stuff he tells him! He started that whole stupid "No Sniching" crap and he got men to wear PINK!!! Pink sneakers, t-shirts, pants...all that crap. I HATE Camron...but I do love DIPSET. Just wish he was kicked off from them b/c he's such a effing bad influence!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.8.232.118 (talk) 04:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paragraph on the "Shooting" section

There's a paragraph here that's unsourced: "Some people in the music industry believed that Cam'ron probably had this incident staged to promote him as a tough guy gangster rapper. Some police officials indicated this may be the case since Cam'ron refuses to help police on the crime and that the Lamborghini car he was driving is the type of vehicle car thieves would not go after because it is impossible to sell or even to be stripped down for parts.(See "Stop Snitching" item below.)" Can this be deleted, or does anyone have sources for this? 1337wesm 22:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Cam'Ron is a Muslim —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.166.102.244 (talk) 22:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)