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[edit] Welcome!

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Once again brilliant summary and re-visioning of the text to describe what Cayce actually did wehn he performed a reading. I have been trying to come up with a way to voice all these ideas, and you did in in one paragraph! Excellent job. I've been replacing or adding the term 'medical clairvoyant' wherever I find reference to Cayce in Wikipedia as a short way of giving him a more accurate moniker than simply calling him a 'psychic'. The thousands of affadavits and statutory declarations made by patients and doctors during his lifetime in regards to the wonderful and unique healing methods he described (Thomas Sugrue mentions the affadavits briefly in the intro to There Is A River), shoulde be included briefly somehow as well, I believe. But once again, I pray that your editing work stays in - its valuable, precise, insightful, and accurate. Great work! Drakonicon 18:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I've sent you a personal email since I wasn't sure where to answer your comments.--Caleb Murdock 09:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you resend the email... I think I deleted it not knowing what it was ... Very sorry... Drakonicon 15:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)... Um dont mind me... I found it! lol!Drakonicon 15:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I sent you an email via Wikipedia's email system, and I don't think I was sent a copy, so I don't have the text. I just said "thanks" and pointed out that I had rewritten just one paragraph. The Cayce article is a huge mess, but I don't know enough about Cayce to rewrite too much of the article. Well, I DO know a lot about Cayce, but it has been years since I read the books about him. Maybe I'll read up on him.

I recommend you read The Seth Material. Seth expands on what Cayce said.

Oh, are you Zeno? If so, I'll resend my last note to you.--Caleb Murdock 07:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Another user has requested that you engage in mediation over the article about Jane Roberts. I'm from the Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal, and I'd like to help. Post something on Talk:Jane_Roberts if you want to pursue this. Grobertson 23:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jane Roberts Dispute

Hi Caleb. You have some good points on the Jane Roberts article talk page, but you might want to be careful when commenting on another editor's behavior. Read over "Wikiquette" and "No Personal Attacks", those can save you a lot of grief. Another good policy to follow is "Assume Good Faith"

As far as the inclusion of criticisim in articles by those of the skeptical persuasion, that's an ongoing discussion in several areas of Wikipedia policy and guidelines.

Check out these articles:

Dreadstar 05:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


I acknowledge that I shouldn't have made personal comments, and I'll refrain from doing that in the future. However, I won't negotiate with Mangel regarding the language of the article. Hopefully we won't get into a "rewrite war".

I am new to Wikipedia. This is the only page I am ever likely to edit. I am in the process of reading more of Roberts' books, and after that I will read her biography, so you can be sure that my edits and additions will be well-informed.

When I have the time I'll read all of Wikipedia's rules. Thank you for your attention to this, and I apologize for my indiscretion.--Caleb Murdock 06:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on the Cayce article! Makes a big difference to the bias in the piece. Highlights a difference of opinion between beleivers and skeptics. Cayce never really 'claimed' he had prophetic of medical powers... was always suspicious of what his readings suggested (he never heard one of them; all being recorded while he 'slept'). So other people witnessed (and purported)what he could do and say. Anyway, good work.. Keep it up.Drakonicon 21:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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Well, thank you! You're very nice! To me, it was just a minor edit that I was making, but I guess it makes a difference. The most authentic of the psychics were not charlatans who engaged in self-promotion, and they were often modest about their talents.
Is this the appropriate place for me to respond to you?--Caleb Murdock 02:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the footnoting

I started with the footnotes but this article has a long way to go. Sayvandelay 09:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Original Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for your excellent contributions to the Jane Roberts article. - Dreadstar 05:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, though I don't know what that means.--Caleb Murdock 06:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It will be my pleasure to explain! You can read about it at Wikipedia:Barnstars, but in short, it is the custom to reward Wikipedia contributors for hard work and due diligence by awarding them barnstars. And you, my friend are definitely a hard worker and very diligent about the Jane Roberts article. You deserve it! Dreadstar 04:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I certainly appreciate it. The article will get better as I continue to read. I haven't read her biography yet, which should yield a lot of information. Thank you for the contributions that you have made to the article.--Caleb Murdock 08:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Purported psychics

The categories were renamed per discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 8#Category:Psychics. Each of the categories had a notification tag linking to the discussion. If you're interested in trying to move them back, you can list them at WP:CFD. --Minderbinder 12:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Caleb, I at first felt the same way you do. However, allowing this category is not so bad. I means that there is not way to defend the position that a psychic is anyone who says they are psychic, instead of someone who actually has those powers. I am much more concerned that they are trying to delete the category "Pseudoskepticism," here. Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 19:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Somehow, I should have been notified of that discussion, Minderbinder.--Caleb Murdock 01:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Notification happened at both the category itself and WP:CFD. --Minderbinder 16:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry we lost the "purported" voting, but I'm pushing for it on the talk page for WP:BLP's. Was it you that pointed out a guideline on categories that said they couldn't be cited? I saw it somewhere and need it now... Thanks! Dreadstar 23:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're saying about something that can't be cited, so I don't think that was me.--Caleb Murdock 00:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I found it. I'm continuing the battle here: Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#New_category. I do not think the categories containing "purported" should stand. Dreadstar 01:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
On this new page, are you requesting the removal of the category altogether? I'm not sure what the purpose of the new page is that I'm looking at.--Caleb Murdock 09:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

You'd probably have a better shot at getting the category renamed if the proposed rename was to Professed psychics instead of Psychics and purported psychics or just Psychics. Although I have seen the same objections to "professed" as well. --Minderbinder 14:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Why are YOU trying to be helpful, Minderbinder? You would be happy if the category were renamed to "Frauds, Swindlers and Charlatans".--Caleb Murdock 06:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Please AGF. --Minderbinder 14:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Shut up minderbinder. Made in the asu 09:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Right on!--Caleb Murdock 10:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Please be civil. --Minderbinder 14:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Please be gone!--Caleb Murdock 04:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the message and the Barnstar (: I was surprised the the ArbCom worked out as well as it did. BTW, I was far from the only one who did work on the Arbitration. You can read the decision here. Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 02:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Response

Response on my talk page (: –––Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 22:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Purported

Yes, I think the lead shouldn't have info the rest of the article doesn't have. I really don't mind words like "purported," sometimes, but they have been abused to such an extent by people who are just pushing a POV that it seems like using them once is like leaving a crack crystal around when there's an addict in the house. –––Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 04:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey!

Just checking in with you to see how you're doing! I'm keeping pretty busy these days, things are going well. Dreadstar 21:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this where I'm supposed to answer?
Everything is fine, thanks. Very busy.--Caleb Murdock (talk) 08:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Butts' Death

According to: http://www.newworldview.com/blogs/helfrich/archive/2008/05/29/in-memoriam-robert-f-butts.aspx Robert Butt's recently passed away. I added dates to the mention of him in the Robert's article. You may want to have a looksee and see if it seems to fit in well with the rest of the text. 70.186.172.75 (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

How sad. I knew it had to come soon; he was very old. I had hoped he would live forever.
Your edit looks fine.--Caleb Murdock (talk) 09:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)