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[edit] Multyplayer

just think there should be more info on mutylplayer becuase it is such a big part of the game. For example someone could add an some information about gold weapons etc.Hungaryboy1 (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

thats what 'call of duty wikia' is for. it has lots of tips and info on the game and weapons. (210.50.143.22 (talk) 10:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)) a nut


there is a typo on the main page under mutply player there is no sudden death match its just a draw (I'v played for over 10 days total & hsve it since dec. 2008 I should know IM NOT RONG!!!) By PSN: zdog90210 feal free to send me a frend request.

[edit] Consensus carry over?

Does consensus established on this page carry over to other pages about CoD 4? SirBob42 (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Such as? (it depends). ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 19:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
This page Characters in Call of Duty? SirBob42 (talk) 19:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, consensus made from this page carries to that page because, for instance, you still cannot speculate, nor can you use fan sites, in that article. Gary King (talk) 04:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Major characters

Recurring NPCs, such as Gaz, Vasquez, Griggs, and Kamarov should be mentioned, as they are more prominent than Victor (who only appears in two missions). Have a seperate paragraph for the villians. GoldDragon (talk) 04:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you're going to add it, keep it brief. I remember now that the last paragraph with NPCs had literally every nameable one from the game (from the pilot of the helicopter that you rescue to the guy whose life you can save on the staircase in another level), which we just don't need. It couldn't hurt to have these other more important NPCs named. -- Comandante {Talk} 15:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't someone put Cpt. Price in there? 82.141.112.4 (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC) Wait, ignore me. I mixed the articles. Sorry. 82.141.112.4 (talk) 16:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAQ template

I have moved consensus to the FAQ template now, to organize things a little. It will be easier for newbies to the article to spot, and the first thread on this page can now be archived as other threads on this page. I have also added auto-archiving to this talk page because it is getting long and unwieldy. Gary King (talk) 04:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


The FAQ basicaly says the samething as the Summary consensus. In retrospect I thought I should bring it up before i deleted the consensus to see what the majority opinion was Nitsuahh87 (talk) 14:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The consensus will be automatically archived from now on, so you do not need to worry about that. Gary King (talk) 16:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I need help to copyedit this article

I have, for the first time, actually read through this article, and have already encountered several copyediting problems. I have fixed several, and will continue to do so for the entire article. If anyone has the time, please help out and copyedit the article so that it meets high standards. Feel free to brush up on your copyediting abilities by reading User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a. Cheers! Gary King (talk) 05:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] error in System Requirements

no you do not need internet connection to play. but you need it to play online and download new maps. cyberwolf (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WTF? Banned?

Some person in a fourm said it is banned in Syria do to the closeness of the names Al-Asad and Al-Assad. The correct form is Al Asad in the game. I said he was wrong and he went crazy saying some dumb stuff that I was stupid. Who is right, cause I could find No Source that confirmed his statement that this game is banned in Syria. Asad and Assad are very common middle eastern names anyway 72.138.216.89 (talk) 20:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Xbox doesn't even offer official support in Syria. Don't believe everything you hear on a forum. xenocidic (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I love how this talk page is used as a forum... oh wait. Gary King (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Addressing a concern in the FAC, I went ahead and added a bit about the epilogue airplane mission to the campaign section; it could probably be tweaked somewhat or elaborated on, but that's the best I can do since it has been some time since I last played the game. On a side note, it's a shame one of the first comments on the FAC page is an outright oppose, but I suppose that's just my pessimism speaking. -- Comandante {Talk} 20:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out :) This is the only game I really play lately, so I'd love to see it as an FAC. Also, don't worry about the first being an oppose; it's a great way to show us early on what we need to improve. I'll tweak your edits a bit if I feel they need some tweaking, but otherwise, let's just continue to improve the article to meet FA standards :) (Also, I just played the airplane mission a few days ago, actually, and there isn't really much to say about it. If someone can find a reference that explains why they even included the level in the game, that'd be many more times more useful than simply describing the level. Cheers!) Gary King (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

"A single-player demo for the PC was released on October 11, 2007 as a Yahoo! exclusive download. It was released on various major sites the same day" - this seems like a contradiction. Could it be clarified? Epbr123 (talk) 09:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed it. Unsourced, and I can't find a source myself. Also, a minor point at best. Gary King (talk) 10:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
What happened was that Yahoo had the original "exclusive" download rights, and was the first to release the demo. Other sites downloaded the file and mirrored it on their servers, including major sites like fileshack and fileplanet. However it was still technically a Yahoo! exclusive, the other sites just "stole" the file. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 05:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
That's what I assumed; if a reliable news source can be found that documented this, though, then we can use it; if not, then I still consider it a minor point. Gary King (talk) 05:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I haven't looked, but I'm 99% sure taht within the charlieoscardelta archives there are links announcing the yahoo exclusive. As for the other sites, I guess the source would be the date of upload of the file? ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 05:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
But yes, it's still a very minor issue. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 05:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd very much prefer to have a reliable news site, like IGN or GameSpy, cover this, but it was probably too minor for them. Gary King (talk) 05:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, charlieoscardelta is the official site, so that's a reliable source. Fileplanet is owned by gamespy. Major gaming news portals such as IGN and UGO networks own file sites also. Also, bluesnews.com would be a good place to check, if you can dig through the archives, they're one of the gold standard of gaming news sites for years. I'd do it myself, but it's my exam period, so no time for anything but books. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 05:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prestige

Is prestige only limited to certain versions of the game? I have the PC version and was told by someone online that it's not offered on PC, yet my husband has it on his Xbox 360. He (my husband) checked the icons of those playing in a few games with me on the PC, and he says no one seems to have the prestige features; so shouldn't this be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asinine17 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

This is mentioned in the article, per this quote: "The highest obtainable level is 55, but on the console versions of the game, the player has the option to play "Prestige" mode; " Gary King (talk) 18:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Challanges

Apologies if i don't properly adhere to the guidelines of how to write on these pages; I'm new to it. Anyway, I just noticed a small discrepancy in the 'Multiplayer' section. The last sentence states that "Completing a challenge can unlock new weapons, perks, or other bonuses, or it can grant experience points". In fact, completing challanges only results in extra experience points, which in turn can help the player level up, and so indirectly the player may gain access to weapons, perks, etc. The completion of any challange does not necessarily grant access to anything but experience points. -Dan, 19:16 April 29, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.135.218 (talk) 18:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Should be better now. Let me know what you think. Gary King (talk) 19:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant

The last sentance of the multiplayer section "Completing a challenge grants experience points, which can be used to unlock new weapons, perks, or other bonuses" is redundant of the paragraph it was orignally in. Can someone change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.77.176.58 (talk) 22:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it to the beginning as a lead, which makes more sense. Gary King (talk) 23:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this improves the article. Origonally the preceding sentence (now the last sentence in the paragraph) told the reader what challanges are, and the last sentence explained why challanges are useful, or why the player may be motivated to complete them. Now however, the first sentence in the paragraph tells the reader why challanges are useful, and only informed what these challanges are at the end. To me, this way makes less sense.

On the content of this sentence, I think it is a little inaccurate. To me the phrasing suggests that the player can trade experience points for the weapons perks. However, completing challanges results experience points which may help the player advance in level; unlocking weapons, perks and other challanges. This is just a small issue with phrasing, and it may be my own incorrect interpretation. Just drawing attention to it. 213.202.164.186 (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC) Dan, 30 April, 2008

I agree with the IP. The words "Which can be used" modifying experience points implies that they are spent. It should probably say something to the effect that challenges unlock attachments and experience, whereas levelups unlock new weapons, perks, and challenges. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 05:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Reworded Gary King (talk) 05:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison to Halo 3 sales

One word: Why?--coolbho3000 (talk) 19:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Mainly because in the FAC, people were asking why CoD4 was the best selling game of 2007 when it was thought that Halo 3 outsold it; the relationship is stated to clear this up. Gary King (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Its alright to mention it if sales analysts pointed out the comparison. However, we can't "invent" the comparison; it would be like saying that GTA Vice City outsold Legend of Zelda in 2002; Vice City had a much larger audience due to many more PS2s than GameCubes. GoldDragon (talk) 21:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] question

with the prestige mode for cod 4.. after you prestige so many times do you begin to recive gamer pictures for your current prestige mode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.109.145 (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Needs changing

in the multiplayer section it states that the result of a tie game is sudden death or completing the objective, however in the headquarters and deathmatch gametypes a tie game results in a draw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.109.145 (talk) 02:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Collectors Edition

The UK collectors edition has the poster and DVD, however, it does not have the hardback art book. I don't know about other countries so it might be worth mentioning. Douglasnicol (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New update

It is out now. [1] 80.202.209.248 (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mac conversion delayed ?

the article states its being released in may 2008, now its june but there is still no word about it. Chegis (talk) 16:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The Mac release date is inconsistent in the article, in the infobox it lists "May 2008", but in the lead section it states "June 2008". Link to current version as of this writing. --Silver Edge (talk) 23:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)