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Contents 1 LGBT? 2 Confusing! 3 It is time for someone to correct, combine or delete this entry! 4 New lead 5 GA Sweeps 6 Wives

[edit] LGBT?

I'm a little confused. Why is Caligula part of the LGBT Wikiproject?

This is not an attack on LGBT, in fact I am very for it. I just don't see the relevance between the two.

Hmm, it was auto-categorized as such by SatyrBot, as the article at that time (January 2007) was in the categories Category:LGBT people from Italy and Category:LGBT royalty (see [1]). These categories were removed on April 10 by User:Radiant! saying "LGBT predicate implies contemporary lifestyle and is rather meaningless when applied to ancient Romans" ([2]). Whether the article is still of interest to the LGBT studies Wikiproject is a question for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies I guess? --Stormie (talk) 10:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing!

The paragraph giving Caligula's lineage starting "His father was son to..." is terribly, terribly confusing. Someone who's familiar with the dynasty should re-write this without all of the indirection. i.e. "His paternal grandmother was daughter to Marcus Antonius and Octavia" might become "His paternal grandmother's parents were Marcus Antonius and Octavia". Or perhaps trim the lineage down a bit to begin with.

The opening part says that Caligula was Nero's brother, while the Nero article puts him as a maternal uncle. The diagram at the bottom effectively makes hims Nero's grandfather. Either I'm missing something here, or somebody needs to clarify these statements. Grifter tm (talk) 06:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. OK, Caligula had amongst his siblings a brother, Nero Caesar, and a sister, Agrippina the Younger, mother of Emperor Nero. The problem is, about a month ago, a new user edited Nero Caesar to make it a redirect to Nero (the emperor), even though they're not the same Nero. I have reverted that edit. --Stormie (talk) 08:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It is time for someone to correct, combine or delete this entry!

This is, as stated in more than a few of the previous comments, rife with plagiarism, falsehoods and opinions. These atrocities aside WHO was Caligula? If it is Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus this is a ridicules redundant exercise as many Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus entries can be found elsewhere in Wikipedia! This is why so many people have a dim view of this website! It is a great tool in many ways, but then we have a very non-encyclopedic piece of work like this article as a slap in the face. This is the equivalent of having an entry for Ronald Reagan the 40th President of the United States and another for The Gipper the 40th President of the United States , hey let's throw one in for Dutch Reagan the 40th President of the United States and another for The Great Communicator sometimes referred to as the 40th President of the United States for gosh sakes! Earlier "drafts" of this article had also referred to Gaius Julius Caesar (born July 13, 100 BC)as the same person! Hopefully someone with some balls will actually take this separate article for Caligula, and combine it's few redeeming qualities (with credit given to the proper sources for the plagiarized material!)with existing material for Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.

I have NO DOUBT the idea to publish this sprung from some young college student who watched the movie and did the plagiarizing from sources he/she read. Just like a 20 something gent coming home to show the wife the new CD Pink Floyd came out with Obscured by Clouds and it was only 2 Quid! Only to find out later it is a 35 year old album...

BadMaxx (talk) 03:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Which "many Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus entries" are you talking about?

Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus and Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus both redirect to Caligula.

Gaius Julius Caesar is a disambiguation page listing Caligula alongside the many others of that name.

If there are other articles in Wikipedia on the same person that need to be merged with this one, how about you turn the rant down a notch and tell us where they are. Where is the "The Gipper" to Caligula's Caligula? --Stormie (talk) 03:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what BadMaxx is talking about. I, along with many other hard-working users, have been contributing to this article for over a year and I can assure you that no part of it is plagarized. Also, I have never seen the movie Caligula, but the citations of every single line of this article clearly show that the information is not from that.Hoshidoshi (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New lead

I've expanded the lead to conform with Wikipedia guidelines regarding article length. Comments and suggestions are welcome here. I've also restructured his early life slightly by eliminating redundant headings. I just felt that the length of these paragraphs simply did not warrant separate subheadings of their own. --Steerpike (talk) 15:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. This is an excellent article, but some improvements to consider include some modern scholarship (i.e. on Caligula's boats) and the tidying of short sentences and other MoS checks. Otherwise, this might potentially make FA. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Jackyd101 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wives

There is not a mention of Caligula's wives at all, though I believe he had four; Junia Claudilla, Livia Orestilla, Lollia Paulina and Milonia Caesonia. Sources include Suetonius and Tacitus, as cited on the wives' pages. Eric B 13:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)