Talk:California Division of Juvenile Justice

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Ombudsman, you have written a fine article but the sources for particular assertions are unclear. For example, you state that most youths are on haloperidol or thorazine. Both are fairly old-fashioned substances, and especially thorazine has been out of vogue for a while in favour of the atypicals that are less sedative, have less extrapyramidal side-effects and possibly a smaller risk of neuroleptic malignant syndrome. Without a clear attribution of sources one has no way of knowing what the source is.

If sources are not traced back properly, it becomes almost impossible to assess verifiability of articles, leading to RFC, deletion etc. JFW | T@lk 13:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the haldol & thorazine issue, Ombudsman. Could you please address my other point, namely that numerous assertions are not easily traced back to the sources you've provided? JFW | T@lk 19:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see some sources, too. Much of what's written here is correct. But some statements (e.g., "On non-school days, inmates are locked in their cells for 23 hours a day") are unreasonable: certainly there are lockdowns and some facilities lock up way too many wards as a matter of course, but all inmates 23 hours a day just isn't true - CDJJ can't run forestry work camps with everyone locked up. Without sources, obvious exaggerations like this reduce the credibility of the whole article. Other statements may be true but misleading:e.g., ..."there have been six suicides in California's juvenile jails between 2000 and 2005" How many occured in CDJJ and how many in county juvenile halls? Again, what's the source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.249.68.213 (talk • contribs) 05:14, 27 June 2006