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[edit] Split and reduction of season-by-season record

I have decided to try a concept practiced with some other pages, notably Chicago Bears and Chicago Bears seasons, to help reduce the size of the main team articles by moving content to child articles. While the Flames history at 27 years is not excessively large, I used the Flames as a concept test because it is a managable size. I did want to leave a partial history in the main article, however, and I feel the last five years is a logical breakpoint. If met with general approval, this is a change that I intend to propose at WP:HOCKEY/Team pages format, and to do across all teams. Please offer any comments. Thanks, Resolute 00:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flames captains in 1990-91

I've asked this before, again if anyone can find a source for the players who served in the 'rotating captaincy'. It would be much appreciated. PS- Through old hockey game showings: Doug Gilmour, Joel Otto, Joe Nieuwendyk, Ric Natress were among the rotating captains. Just not sure 'when they served and for how long'. GoodDay 00:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Calgary Flames' alternate captains wear the Atlanta Flames' logo, the stylized "A", on their jerseys. This makes them one of only four NHL teams who wear an old logo on their current jersey (the others being the Buffalo Sabres, Pittsburgh Penguins, and the Vancouver Canucks)

I believe one could add the Toronto Maple Leafs to this list as their old stylized Maple Leaf logo appears as shoulder patches on one of their more recent home blue jerseys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.115.232.65 (talk) 07:12, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Noteworthy Events

Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of the section could esily be merged into the sections for those respective seasons? The Red Mile has its own page, so why does it need this much detail here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebby7 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The idea is to put a summery of the really major stuff in this section. The minor-noteworthy events from season to season goes to the season pages. Because the point of this page is to get a summery of the team as a whole so alot of these facts should be here. --Djsasso 18:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
The Red Mile section has very little detail compared to its own article, which is as it should be. The Red Mile especially, and the C of Red to a lesser extent are major defining characteristics of the club, and most certainly belong on this article in their summarized forms. The Red Hot video bit, and the Trivia section really don't belong, but I haven't get gotten around to removing the content, or integrating it into other parts of the article yet. Resolute 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I tried to remove the red hot video, but someone seems to be obsessed with it and keeps adding it back in. Why is it that we're told to follow policy, and yet the so called "experienced" editors keep ignoring it where it suits them? -- Sebby7 15:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Not obsessed, just waiting for a valid reason for the removal. When you can use something other than a POV statement of I don't think its noteworthy to remove it then I will be more than happy to let it go. However, wikipedia already has a standard that music videos inherit notability if the artists making them are already notable. In this case the Flames players involved are already notable. Therefore the music video inherits their notability. --Djsasso 15:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
At the same time, it really is little more than trivia. One of these days, I'll get around to creating 1986-87 Calgary Flames season, and will move it there, given it was relevant to that season, but not so much to the team itself today. Resolute 17:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I agree with that. I just figured baring a place to put it currently that that is the place for it to be. --Djsasso 17:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Calgary Flames logo 1980-1994.png

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BetacommandBot 03:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It's been fixed. --Djsasso 01:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split of Calgary Flames into Calgary Flames notable players and award winners

Part of the Calgary Flames article has been copied to Calgary Flames notable players and award winners by User:Resolute. I couldn't find any discussion about this split and was curious about it. Does this mean the section in the Calgary Flames article will be removed or summerized with a link to the new article?Billy (talk) 05:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I've been very slowly working to build this article up to Featured Article status. One of the things that really prevents this is an overabundance of lists. Using the format established by the New Jersey Devils article, which is currently a FA, I removed the collection of lists to their own article, and yes, have linked to it both in the Honoured members section, as well as the {{Calgary Flames}} template. Resolute 06:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Also to add: The sections on the team's jersey history and Harvey the Hound require expansion, and I intend to add a section on the Flames' community support, and with the article already near 50kb, with additions likely pushing close to 60kb when finished, a split becomes warranted for size reasons as well. Resolute 06:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. I was just curious and doing a new page patrol and saw it come up. I was curious because I'm from Calgary and it caught my attention. I certainly think it deserves Featured Article status. Its certainly a very comprehensive article on the subject.--Billy (talk) 06:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, it still needs expansion in areas, citations in others, more images (was going to get a pic of the Stanley Cup banner tonight at the Hitmen game, but forgot my camera) and a thorough review/copy edit by someone with a better flair for words than I, but work progresses. Resolute 06:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, the team captains belong on the main article. GoodDay (talk) 19:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't, except for noting who the current ones are on the roster. Team captains are no more notable than anything else that was split off in this move. --Djsasso (talk) 20:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
However, a captain list is on the other NHL team articles. GoodDay (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and that is one of the things that will hold up making the articles Feature Level which is why its being removed here and eventually on all the others I would assume. Though I am willing to bet he is just going to switch it into prose slowly. I say just let Resolute keep going and see what he comes up with, he usually comes up with great stuff. --Djsasso (talk) 23:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I won't stand in the way of progress. I hope Darthflyer co-operates at Philadelphia Flyers (mind you, he's been good these last few months). GoodDay (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Djasso, though I'm not sure how I would change a list of captains to prose. Though I may try to integrate the more notable ones - ie the co-captain era of the mid 80s into the main history. Resolute 17:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
After completing the rewrite, I've listed this article at Peer Review for additional feedback before listing as a Featured Article candidate. All feedback is welcome! Resolute 23:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article (it hasn't been reviewed yet, this a general comment)

The purpose of nominating this article for good article status is to have an outsider provide some comments on how to improve it, to help it along its road to FA, as well just to get a general assessment of how the article is faring. Cheers. --Maxim(talk) 16:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of December 24, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass
2. Factually accurate?: Pass
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images?: Pass

An excellent quality article here, very good work on the refs. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.— Qst 19:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured nomination

This look good. I merged a small paragraph; small paragraphs kinda break the flow of the article. I think it is appropriate to send to FAC, but I still have my reservations on criterion 1a. But I think that's probably me being overly nitpicky. --Maxim(talk) 00:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

At this point, the best way to address any problems with 1a is to throw the article at the wolves and see what comes out of it. PR and GA review are done, this is the next logical step. Resolute 05:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Go flames go?

I'm suprised to see no mention of the "Go flames go" chant that became the teams tradmark during there 2004 playoff run. I don't know enogh about it to add it in or where it would go but i hope someone else can. Some refs that should be of help [1] [2] [3] [4] all reports on game from the 2004 playoffs that mention the chant.

[edit] Owen Nolan

We're all familiar with the United Kingdom's (IMHO) multiple identity crises. Seeing as in the Current Roster under birthplaces, we don't use Canada & the United States only; Why, is Nolan's birthplace being continously changed from Belfast, United Kingdom to Belfast, Northern Ireland? the last time I checked, Belfast was still in the UK. GoodDay (talk) 18:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's just one of those things that is always going to happen. It should be UK, but I don't get too worked up about it if it changes. -Djsasso (talk) 18:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I sure got a quizzy feeling in my guizzard about this. I'm thinking of the dispute that took place at that NHL statistics leader by country article. GoodDay (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

That is why I just leave it however it is in articles. Have enough other things needing fixing to worry about that too much. -Djsasso (talk) 18:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it for awhile. If things get intense (edit warring or heated discussion), I'll let the pro-Northern Ireland gang win out. GoodDay (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it? You could consider Belfast, Northern Ireland to be a city, province format, as North American players are listed as, but that then breaks the naming convention for European born players. Honestly, I'm not worried either way, unless it escelates into an edit war. Resolute 19:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)