Talk:Calamity Jane

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[edit] Vandalism

I've reverted the vandalism by User:69.193.109.30, but it's perhaps worth documenting, in case it becomes encyclopedic:

  • festegio appears to be a moderately good Italian word (tho i haven't succeeding in getting it translated automatically off Google), and from context it appears to have something to do with festivals or celebrations.
  • It's been introduced into English as a "here's a word you don't know" word
  • I'm not sure festigio is not Italian, either as a separate word or a misspelling, but my guess is it has been spread in English as a result of accidental or intentional misspelling of festegio.

--Jerzy(t) 19:04, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)really?

[edit] Lesbian?

"Also, in retrospect, Jane was likely a lesbian, as gathered from her behavior, actions, and demeanor."

She dresses like a man so she must be a lesbian? Since when were hetro normative sterotypes a basis for 'encyclopedic' information. This line appears to be nothing more than speculation, without a source I suggest it be removed. - Kieran Bennett 15:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

What's the source for the bisexuality claim and brothel quote? - 63.169.219.130 02:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No kidding. Here's the material that was in the article. Please don't add it back without citing a reliable source!
Also, note that although Cy Martin is cited in the quotation itself, Cy Martin is not the author of the entire quotation, he's being quoted by the author of the entire quotation. JordeeBec 20:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

She was also bisexual and a cross-dreser:

"Calamity Jane both worked in brothels (as a woman) and patronized them (as a man). 'One of Calamity's claims', wrote Cy Martin, 'was that in male garb and with the aid of a dildo, she could deceive any prostitute she wanted'...Her cross-dressing allowed her to explore and learn what was [sic—should be were] then exclusively male activities—shooting and railway work for example—and to make money from sex work no matter which gender she chose."

Hi, I don't know if I am doing this right so my apologies if I am intruding. I think the statement in the first paragraph that says "exaggerated claim" is unnecessarily condescending and should be removed. --shannon

Does anybody have the source for the statement above? I know that is not exactly the latest discussion, but inquiring minds want to know. -- John Smythe 22:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I am pleasantly surprised that non-USA residents have not lambasted this article for "Americentrism."Obbop 00:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrote heavily

I tried to remove some of the blatant bias, but there are problems with lack of sourcing - for example, there is a claim CJ met Bill in 1876 on a wagon train (no source), while later there is a claim she only knew him six weeks (no source), and then a seemingly sourced marriage certificate, so I removed the latter claim. Much more work is left to be done on this. MSJapan 02:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like more vandalism. See the top of the page.

So was she the youngest sibling or not? The 'Early Life' section seems contradictory 82.43.213.108 14:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birth Year

At least one of the articles linked to has a photo of a plaque saying she was born in 1852, not 1855. Which year is correct? Sir Rhosis 02:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Youngest or oldest?

The opening paragraph in Early Life says she was the youngest of six children, but the next says she lost touch with her younger siblings. David 13:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new biography

"According to an excellent new biography, "Calamity Jane: The Woman and The Legend," by James D. McLaird (University of Oklahoma Press), the infamous Jane showed up in Spokane around 1883 when she was following the construction crews of the Northern Pacific railroad westward through Montana, North Idaho and on into Washington State." Jim Kershner quote [1] (I don't have time to write about this now. just making a note of it here.) --cda 14:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In Hidalgo

Jane also made an appearance in the 2004 film, Hidalgo, based on the life and tales of former horse rider Frank Hopkins. Wasn't that Annie Oakley? Darkfrog24 20:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jane died from complications of pneumonia in 1903.

The article states that Calamity Jane died from complications of pneumonia in 1903.

I just completed a book, Calamity Jane, The Woman and the Legend by James D. McLaird. On page 214, paragraph 2, he writes, "Despite the doctor's efforts, Martha died on August 1, 1903, at 5:00 in the afternoon, of 'inflammation of the bowels.' Undoubtedly, her life-long drinking contributed to her death. Although she was but forty-seven years of age, her appearance led some observers to estimate her age as seventy-three."

There was no mention of her alleged pneumonia symptoms. The majority of the chapters covering the late years of Calamity Jane's life in fact discussed in length how her drinking habits were extreme.

Can someone please elaborate more on what is factual to her cause of death? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rperes (talk • contribs) 20:25, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Hello...

Several sentences refer to Calamity Jane being with Crook between 1872 and 1874. During that time period, Crook was in Arizona fighting Apaches. For specific references, see "On the Border With Crook," by John Gregory Bourke.

The careers of Crook and Calamity Jane did intersect, and is referred to by Bourke in the above-referenced book, but it was after 1874, when Crook was transferred from fighting Apaches to fighting Sioux.

70.56.230.31 (talk) 04:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)