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[edit] England and Scotland
I disagree with the sentence about relative rigidity. When I wrote that a difference mark may be derived from the bearer's profession, I had in mind a Scottish example (cited by Volborth): a master printer made part of his bordure goutty sable (I've forgotten the nonsystematic word, unless it's goutty de poix) representing ink. —Tamfang 03:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I wish I could find more details about the Stodart system. —Tamfang 20:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Royal Arms
"At birth, members of the Royal Family have no arms." Is this strictly true. The law of arms would suggest they have the same rights to their father's arms with due differences unless or until they are granted personal arms or succeed their father. Alci12 13:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think it is possible to have a right to the Royal Arms by descent, because they are arms of dominion and not personal arms. However, arms based on the Royal Arms (i.e. granted with differences) are personal arms and descend in the usual way (I think). Chelseaboy 18:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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- And on yet another hand, the children of the Duke of Edinburgh have arms available which are not arms of dominion. For that matter, the Windsors could in principle derive arms from Prince Albert. But such is not the practice. —Tamfang 19:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- I was thinking of the DofE - as to Albert I doubt it. At most it would only be a quartering due to EII being a heraldic heiress all sssuming his arms can be quartered via a morganatic marriage under his house rules. Alci12 10:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- And on yet another hand, the children of the Duke of Edinburgh have arms available which are not arms of dominion. For that matter, the Windsors could in principle derive arms from Prince Albert. But such is not the practice. —Tamfang 19:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I meant the male-line Windsors. —Tamfang 17:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Non-Commonwealth cadency
Like many heraldry articles, this article has something of a bias towards British (and British-descended, i.e. Canadian) heraldry. Can anyone provide any information about cadency systems in other traditions? There are some examples from Portugal but no description of whether there is a general system or the given examples were created ad hoc for the royal family. Even information about the lack of cadency systems in other heraldic traditions would be useful. For example, I understand that in Polish heraldry there was a tendency for everyone in the same family to bear the same arms, without difference. PubliusFL 19:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
