Talk:C Is For Cookie

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Contents 1 C is for college student 2 Wav 3 Lyrics 4 See Also 5 Other Things Starting with the Letter C 6 C for Cookie 7 A Cookie is sometimes food? 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Album c is for cookie.jpg 9 Merge needed

[edit] C is for college student

I have heard many fellow students singing this song in the halls as finals occur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.255.187.32 (talk) 06:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wav

Can anyone find a WAV or MP3 file we can link to? Rad Racer 23:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Even if possible, it's quite likely the song is copyrighted. - Vague | Rant 02:38, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was Public Broadcasting Service? Is their stuff copyrighted? Rad Racer 02:58, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Everything is copyrighted. TorenC 23:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

i'm not.Boomshanka 07:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics

- C is for Cookie can be regarded as a case study in persuasive oratory, emphasizing the emotional aspect of public speaking. Cookie Monster builds excitement by answering his opening rhetorical question, "Now what starts with the letter C?" with the obvious reply, "Cookie starts with C!" He then challenges the audience, "Let's think of other things that starts with C," before quickly replying, "Oh, who cares about the other things?" casually dismissing a whole range of other possibilities as irrelevant. Thus, having ostensibly come for the purpose of covering the letter C in its entirety, Cookie Monster has already focused his agenda exclusively on cookies, employing the classic bait and switch tactic. - - Several times in his presentation, Cookie Monster emphasizes what appears to be the central thesis of his remarks: "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me!" The appealing rhythm of this slogan appears designed to entrance listeners, swaying their emotions and making them instinctively want to chant along with him. After rousing the crowd, Cookie Monster systematically lays out the logical underpinnings of his pro-cookie ideology, comparing cookies to round donuts with one bite out of them and to the moon during its crescent phase, in essence using a straw man argument that implies his opponents would advocate the superiority of these competitors over cookies. In this sense, Cookie Monster may be proposing a false dichotomy representing cookies as the only viable choice to a group of obviously inferior alternatives. - - But before the audience has a chance to catch on, Cookie Monster launches into another round of repetitive chanting, "C is for cookie, that's good enough for me, yeah!" as young children sing along. Here, Cookie Monster uses a propaganda technique strikingly similar to that employed in George Orwell's Animal Farm by the pig Napoleon, who trained the farm's sheep to bleat, "Four legs good, two legs bad" on his cue[1]. - - Cookie Monster then adds visual stimulation to his discourse by chomping into a large cookie, concluding his remarks with "Umm-umm-umm-umm-umm" and other chewing sounds.

Yes, original research. You made it up. George Orwell? I won't remove it again, but I hope to God someone does. - Vague | Rant 03:11, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

Well, it was fun while it lasted. Rad Racer 03:30, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See Also

I agree that while the thesis on persuasive oratory is interesting, it isn't really appropriate here. Likewise, I take exception to the link to demagogy — Cookie Monster isn't interested in seizing power, just cookies, and if he succeeds in convincing the rest of the world that cookies are the best thing going, there would be fewer cookies for Cookie Monster.Kevin Forsyth 17:11, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Interesting point! Rad Racer | Talk | Contribs 17:46, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

On the other hand, by increasing consumer willingness to purchase larger quantities of cookies, or increasing the price at which they are willing to purchase the same quantity of cookies, Cookie Monster's song could incentivize the food industry to devote more resources to cookie production, perhaps even making additional capital investments (e.g. in equipment or research and development), thus creating additional economies of scale, and, in the long run, enabling Cookie Monster to buy additional cookies on his limited budget. It would be fallacious to assume a fixed production capacity of cookies, in the absence of government quotas or other regulations associated with a command-and-control economic framework. In addition, there are the possibilities for endorsement deals with cookie companies, similar to Michael Jordan's Gatorade sales, which could inspire Cookie Monster to want to become the premier cookie pitchman. Rad Racer | Talk | Contribs 17:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, I would compare the economic situation to that of soy milk. Although [[soybean]s are more efficient to raise than cattle, soy milk is more expensive that dairy, due to its status as a specialty item. If it went mainstream, it would probably be cheaper than dairy. Similarly, if the popularity of cookies rose, it would in fact lead to greater variety and competition about cookie producers, leading to increased effectiveness and efficiency of operations, culminating in an enhanced cookie industry playing a more central role in the global economy, increasing the prestige and importance of Cookie Monster as that economic segment's established avatar, thus satisfying his craving for sheer, raw power, similarly to the Inner Party members in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four. Ah, once again, all arguments come full circle to the works of that brilliant twentieth-century satirist. Rad Racer | Talk | Contribs 17:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The demagogy link is plain silly. It appears originally in the 02:03 30 Mar minor edit by Zanimum as demagogue, which just links to demagogy now. It seemed gratuitious and off-topic then and it still seems so now. I plan on checking up on this topic in a couple of hours and removing this pointless silliness unless someone makes a convincing effort to demonstrate why it's apropos. Or unless someone beats me to it, which is fine-n-dandy by me. And, it looks like I forgot to log in. Oh, well. 131.7.251.200 17:38, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I was going to chop that out myself, when I did the big, article-changing revision which seems to have brought you all here - yes, you're my puppets, my muppet-puppets, my puppy-muppets. The train of events went alter article -> click 'save page -> spot that there's a link to 'demagogue' at the bottom of the page, something which is clearly bang out of order -> contemplate removing it, but click on 'demagogue' to find out if by some miracle it is relevant -> read article on demagogy -> realise that it's hometime -> forget about BISCUIT MONSTER, and go home. So that is why the line persisted. I was too engrossed with the prospect of buying and preparing tea to care. They aren't cookies. They're biscuits. The entire reason I edited this page and the page on Cookie Monster himself is because somebody at work bought in a mixed assortment of sweets, and I was hoppin' and boppin' after having had some sweets earlier on in the day, and I'm still a bit hyper and it's a quarter past eight in the evening, hubba.-Ashley Pomeroy 19:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Other Things Starting with the Letter C

I deleted this list of things that start with C.

• Crabcakes
• Cucumber
• Cup
• Chocolate
• Cerveza

I don't think it adds to the page, and I see in the revision history that it's been added and deleted before. Unless someone can explain why such a section belongs in the article, it should not be re-added to the article. Podkayne 21:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

lol, it's a joke dude. Aplomado - UTC 07:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

ha ha ha Boomshanka 07:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] C for Cookie

Just wondering, is it worth mentioning the V for Vendetta parody "C for Cookie" here?Eric Sieck 00:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Cookie is sometimes food?

Could anyone please verify the claim made that PBS is making a new song about how "a cookie is a sometimes food?" it sounds like a hoax to me.Abyss42 00:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I wish it was. www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/popcandy/2005-04-12-pop-candy_x.htm Lots42 (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Album c is for cookie.jpg

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• Looks like BetacommandBot done dropped it. Unfortunate since the fair use for album covers is pretty trivial -- we need a 'bot that cleans up after BcB in the album dept., methinks. In this case the image is gone and I've done the image cleanup.Ogre lawless 19:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge needed

This article seems to have a duplicate at C Is for Cookie. --jwanders^Talk 08:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

That was my fault - I moved the page to the current spelling, but kept editing the old one... It is all fixed now, the duplicate is now a redirect. Wongm (talk) 12:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)