User talk:C5mjohn

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[edit] Delano grape strike

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Just curious: what makes you think I am new to wikipedia? C5mjohn 16:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Oops, sorry! Checking your contributions, I see you've been here awhile. I assumed you were new because of the article you nominated for deletion. Most people would have just tagged it with {{db-bio}}. Well, welcome anyway :) Pan Dan 17:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ski areas and resorts at AfD

Hi C5mjohn,

You have placed several ski areas up for deletion; I've found at least 6 thus far. As you are now revising your prior comments in many of these AfDs, I think you are realizing that most of them are notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. However, the following statement you just made still troubles me: "Keep. Seems many people find a lot of these ski resorts notable, so I will focus on culling only the very small, obscure and unpopular resorts."

The question I have for you is this: Is this the best way you can find to improve Wikipedia? Is having AfD debates about dozens of small ski areas the best use of our collective time and efforts? Even if you wish to pursue deletions, there are many other types of articles which should be far higher up the deletion list than ski areas: 1000s of autobios, resumes, promo articles, corporate spam, advertising, etc. are waiting to be found and deservingly deleted. The degree of notability and worthiness for inclusion of even the tiniest ski area anywhere in the world far exceeds those completely worthless articles, many of which were created in bad faith by people who do not share Wikipedia's goals, and instead try to twist it to serve their own vanity or commercial purposes. Please consider finding those articles and either speedying, prodding, or AfDing them before needlessly pursuing any more ski areas.

There is an entire WikiProject, WikiProject Ski, devoted to improving coverage of skiing on Wikipedia. Your actions, although you most likely did not intend them that way, feel like a slap in the face to myself and other editors in WikiProject Ski, and to our ongoing efforts and hard work done to improve Wikipedia in good faith. The project's goals include creating articles on many ski areas, including some which may be small or obscure, and your deletionism is undermining our efforts. Also note that smallness or obscureness does not imply unworthiness for inclusion: For example, the only ski area in Rhode Island, tiny Yawgoo Valley, is notable for that fact alone, and many magazine and newspaper articles have been written about it.

And please do not compare these to restaurant reviews, which they are not. Any restaurant which has ever had a magazine or newspaper article written about it (not a review) is automatically notable enough to be in WP. Just about every ski area meets that standard too, in that they have had articles written about them in published media.

Please reconsider your actions, and please do consider abandoning this path of deletion. It is likely to only cause ill-will and hurt feelings to a number of dedicated, hard-working editors here. Thanks. --Seattle Skier (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for replying, C5mjohn. I prefer to keep conversations together in one place if possible, so I replied over at my talk page. --Seattle Skier (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
On the topic: there's a useful discussion happening at WT:AFD about the chimera of "notability" and how to recast whatever it is we mean by that in less subjective terms that follow much more directly from the fundamental core content policies of neutrality, verifiability and no original research - see here and please join in - David Gerard 17:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
And I am actively working on being less of a dick *ahem* - David Gerard 18:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)