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[edit] C-130J problems?

I remember reading a story on serious problems regarding the C130J, along with its undeserved likeability in Congress, due to the amount of jobs it creates, or something like that. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about? --24.118.77.253 17:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-130j.htm near the bottom. "The Pentagon's inspector general in a 34-page report [dated 23 July 2004] that substantiated the allegation that the C-130J aircraft does not meet contract specifications and therefore cannot perform its operational mission. The Air Force conditionally accepted 50 C-130J aircraft at a cost of $2.6 billion even though none of the aircraft met commercial contract specifications or operational requirements. The Air Force also paid Lockheed Martin more than 99 percent of the C-130J aircraft's contracted price for the delivered aircraft. As a result, the Government fielded C-130J aircraft that cannot perform their intended mission, which forces the users to incur additional operations and maintenance costs to operate and maintain older C-130 mission-capable aircraft because the C-130J aircraft can be used only for training." --165.134.132.123 14:07, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Missing engines in format change

What's the deal with the other engines that were listed in the old infobox? I thought that was supposed to be one of the big advantages of using a list rather than an infobox, but this worked just fine in the infobox but now is missing in the list format.

  • 4 × Rolls-Royce AE 2100 turboprops
  • Power 4 × 4,910 hp 4 × 3,600 kW

Gene Nygaard 22:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Gene - note that my revision was the C-130H only. That's what the new imperial figures are for, and that's why there's only one engine type. The "Models" section should be where the various engines are. -eric ✈ 03:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link between C-130 Hercules and Howard Hughes' Hercules?

I'm not sure, but I mean to remember that Howard Hughes built the first airplane of this specific type (was able to transport large loads), and it had the same name, too. His Hercules couldn't match the ones that followed, but I think he deserves a mention and a link with the new Hercules on these pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_Goose

The C-130 Hercules and the Hughes H-4 Hercules are completely unrelated aircraft. If anything, we should provide a link on this page "not to be confused with the Hughes H-4 Hercules". Willy Logan 14:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

More like, Lockheed chose the Hercules name as the most appropriate galaxy-related name for the C-130, in keeping with their company pattern (Orion, Vega, Lightning, Constellation, et al). Mark Sublette (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


Unbased but I had also heard it was named hercules in retrospect of Hughes vision for the army requirments. Noserider 21:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leftover images

I've rearranged (slightly) the flow of the article and I removed two of the pictures, which I've left here in case they're needed again:

Inside of a French troop transport C-130
Inside of a French troop transport C-130
French C-130 Hercules on the tarmac of Mostar in 1996, bringing a French IFOR unit back home.
French C-130 Hercules on the tarmac of Mostar in 1996, bringing a French IFOR unit back home.

This article could still use better flow and formatting, so this is just a start.

[edit] Crashes (Supplementary)

The RAF crash in Iraq was by a bullet from a guerrilla machine gun.

There was a crash of Indoneisan military force in Kai Tak Airport, Hong Kong check the crash on Sept 23, 1994.


Added information about July 15th, 1996 crash of Belgian Airforce C130 at Welschap Airport in Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

[edit] crashes

Are all of these notable? Why are we listing so damn many? Just curious. ericg ✈ 16:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oldest operational Hercules?

I have been told in the past that the Royal New Zealand Air Force flies the oldest operation hercules, I once even asked the current air vice marshal if it was true, to which he replied that he had heard that too.

Is this worthy of adding to the article, if it can be confirmed?

--Oldest?--

The first RNZAF C-130 was/is c.n. 4042, NZ7001, delivered March 1963. There are MANY Hercules still in service that were built earlier with lower c.n.s, according the Lars Olausson's Production List. Mark Sublette (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

C-130A MSN 3004 is still flying with the Mexican Air Force was the fourth production Herc so probably delivered about 1958 (was serial 53-3132) - only 49 years old. MilborneOne (talk) 22:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
That would be probably the oldest one... Yup! Mark Sublette (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fat Albert

I come from an RAF family and all Hercules have been given the affectionate nickname of 'Fat Albert', not just the C-130T used by the Blue Angels. I don't have any documentary evidence of this, but at the Royal International Air Tattoo this weekend, the commentators again referred to the Herc as 'Fat Albert', so it's not just me! Does anybody have any more solid evidence for this? Are any other nicknames used by other air forces? --Bryces 15:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Four Horsemen

Perhaps a snippet should be added to the article about "The Four Horsemen" -- A C-130 demonstration team a la the Thunderbirds. 147.145.40.43 22:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Design Entries

The article states: The remaining five companies tendered a total of nine designs: Lockheed two, Boeing one, Chase three, Douglas three, Airlifts Inc one.

2+1+3+3+1 = 10, not 9. What is the correct number? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.76.96.14 (talk) 16:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] LAPES

An article on C-130's without a mention of LAPES? This airplane made LAPES a reality... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Altitude_Parachute_Extraction_System SeattleRetro 02:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Um...so add it? Akradecki 02:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Units/ Operators

Should the list of Operators be removed and merged with the external article List of units using the C-130 Hercules, then perhaps renamed List of operators of the Hercules. MilborneOne 12:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

List of C-130 Hercules operators follows the standard format (also: yes). ericg ✈ 03:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Falklands War

C-130s played a very important (and dangerous) role in daily re-supply flights to the Argentine garrison in the Falklands, among other roles. Only one was lost during the war. I think this should be mentioned. Grant | Talk 02:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

  • One of the first couple of paragraphs in the Operational use section looks like the place to add that. -Fnlayson 03:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Origin

Does the number 130 have any meaning? - 74.120.3.178 06:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Photos

I have access to a large number of early C-130 photographs from operational missions - ski-equipped JATO take-offs from the ice-cap, for instance. My father was a very early operational pilot and something of a shutterbug. Would any of these be of value?24.252.199.248 14:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Probably so. This article has a lot of images, but maybe some can be replaced by similar better ones... -Fnlayson 14:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Pictures

I must voice concern over how many pictures are in this article. Almost the entire right hand side of the article is filled with pictures. It seems that we are adding pictures for the sake of adding pictures. I suggest that we go through the pictures and decide which ones are actually valuable, and move the rest to Commons. Keep only a handful of pictures, just to illustrate some of the examples shown. ThePointblank 13:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree there are probably too many images in this article. We could perhaps alleviate this somewhat by alternating right and left (which we should be doing anyway per the Manual of Style). Also, instead of just throwing good images to the commons, we could consider keeping some in a gallery. --Scott Wilson 16:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I've started the process of moving pictures out of the article, selecting ones that I think appear are the best illustrators of the various sections. Some more work can be done here. ThePointblank (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compass Call Redirection

Should compass call actually redirect to the page for the actual aircraft and not to this page? Someone else want to confirm this and then we can make the necessary changes. I find it terribly inconvenient to have to find the page through this one. TauntingElf (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

COuld you list the exact links you're refering too? Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The link is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC-130H_Compass_Call TauntingElf (talk) 20:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, we could also use someone who knows something more about compass call, many of the sections are incomplete and I am not an expert in any way. TauntingElf (talk) 20:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I updated the sectioning and clean-up a couple things. I don't know anything about it. Check the external links to see if they can supply more info. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mexico

Is mexico in negotiations to purchase 3 more C-130's?? user:homan05 —Preceding comment was added at 23:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New C-130J article?

Is there any interest in having an article on the C-130J Super Hercules at this point? I know we already have 5 varaint articles (Lockheed AC-130, Lockheed EC-130, Lockheed HC-130, Lockheed MC-130, and Lockheed WC-130), but I think we could use this one too. According to most sources, the J is a completely new aircraft unnder the skin, with new engines, avionics, and most ofther systems. While this article is not very long at this point (37 KB total), I do think it can be expanded alot more - moving out the J with make room for expansion, while allowing more space for new info on the J to be added, as this is now the major in-production model. I've seen a number of articles linking to the J section in this article, but that doesn't list on "What links here", so we have no way of tabulating those links. (As for name, I believe the "Super" part is unofficial, but using it in the title will help to disambiguate the page from the main one, and the text can state it is most likely unofficial.) Thoughts and comments? - BillCJ (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)