Talk:Byron Katie

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Contents 1 Advertisment banner 2 Disambiguation page 3 Reverting 4 criticism 5 NPOV/Wikify

[edit] Advertisment banner

I have tried to make the article more like an encyclopedia article... would love feedback on how it is looking to people or where else it might feel like too much like an add. Sethie 04:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Much better! I think the original structure of the article makes it hard to make it a really NPOV biography, so I'd like to see more revision before the tag goes away, though. Thanks for doing so much! Lunkwill 07:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I will keep playing with it... and from my perspective it isn't just a biography... it's also an article about her teachings, not how wonderful they are :), but WHAT they are.

Any specific places you see where it still feels advertisement like, please point them out. peace Sethie 07:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that occurred to me too. Eventually the stuff about her philosophy should probably go into an article for that purpose. Lunkwill 18:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I've tried editing the page to make it more like an encyclopedia...let me know what you think about it...best regards, NotElizabeth 22 November 2006

Hi not elizabeth. I love how the page looks now. Thanks for all the changes.

I would like something in there about how terrible her life was before her awakening, the change was pretty ummm dramatic. Welcome to the page. Sethie 22:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sethie, I'm so glad you liked it. I'll try adding something on her depression tomorrow, or if you have an idea, add it on...what do you think about Lunkwill's idea to open a separate article for The Work? It seemed like a good idea to me... NotElizabeth 20:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey NotElizabeth- My inclination is to leave the two combined until the section for the Work is much larger... my experience with Wikipedia is that smaller articles get merged together until one section is quite large and can really stand on it's own. For example Albert Ellis and Rebt. There is a sort of page for "The Work" The Work which is a disambigious page for now.

Those are my thoughts. Peace! Sethie 21:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sethie, I've added something about the depression she experienced prior to her awakening. Also I compared this to the Eckhard Tolle page and some other bios, and it seems neutral enough to remove the 'ad' banner, which I have done. Thanks for pointing out that the Work might get lost if it's just a short article. Maybe it would be worth adding more Work info to make it a larger article...I might make a stab at this later, but for now I've run out of time. This was fun :-) hope you like it NotElizabeth 10:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation page

There used to be a disambiguation page for "The Work". It seems to have been deleted. "The Work" currently points only to Opus Dei, while I know of at least two other incidences it's used: Byron Katie and another philosopher (whose name I've unfortunately forgotten, but he was on the original disambiguation page). NotElizabeth 10:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

took care of it.Sethie 18:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I also took care of "The Work" and "The work" redirecting them all to "The Work"

[edit] Reverting

I am going to revert to the last edit by NotElizabeth. While I honor that Stephens knows this topic 100 times better then I do, the way the article reads now, it reads too much like an advertisement or promotion of the topic. Wikipedia is really big on WP:NPOV, writing things from a netural point of view.

I think some of your changes are good however too many feel problematic, so I am going to undo them all and insert some of the ones that I think fit in with wikipedia, and then we can work on the others. Your work will not be lost, every edit you made is contained here [[1]]

So I have reinserted Stephen's version of the bio and removed some language that I think is sensational and tried to make it more neutral and descriptive.Sethie 07:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] criticism

Could there be some kind of criticism section, it would help keep the article from being an advert? I'll try and find some reliable sources for the criticisms that are made of The Work etc. (to the person who was trying to think who was the other teacher who taught something called The Work, it was Gurdjieff)Merkinsmum 00:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

By all means if you find WP:RS please quote them. Sethie 03:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV/Wikify

I have attempted to NPOV/wikify, hope you all like it. My concerns were that not everyone will believe it is an enlightenment experience that she had. Some people don't even believe such things exist. Others might gather something from the fact of her being in a mental health treatment facility at the time. So I tried to make the article neutral about whether what she experienced was 'enlightenment' or some other such word, or not.Merkinsmum 00:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)