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[edit] Sources for Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb Inc.
Hello, good work on Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb Inc., and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. What websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb Inc.? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? Thank you very much. - SimonP 04:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Simon, got it. I added a total of three sources, one of which is Wikipedia itself. How will that be received, do you think?
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[edit] Thomas E. Dewey, Jr.
Can you please add sources for this article as well, and any other articles you create? Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-6 05:47
Brian, source is Dewey's bio, located at link provided, www.deweydk.com. ButtonwoodTree 05:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Lewis Strauss
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[edit] Sandy Weill
ButtonwoodTree, you wrote, "I'm not sure what his religion has to do with it. J.P. Morgan isn't identified as a Protestant." ANSWER: Actually, it has a lot to do with it. For example, at the turn of the 19th/20th century, there was an unofficial ban on jews working in banking and the insurance industries because of the jews' history. Should this also not be talked about? Well, it should be talked about. And it should also be talked about that jews are not only allowed into banking and insurance today, but they run a lot of the largest institutions (Weill at Citicorp, Jamie Dimon at JP Morgan Chase). What's wrong with tracking this? It was acceptable to track that jews were NOT in banking a hundred years ago, so what's wrong with tracking who's running things now? Same goes for politics - I mean, just look at the jews in the White House - they are running the place - jews are crawling all over the White House - but this never gets mentioned in the press (just as the reasons for 9/11 are never discussed - other than that Mohammed Atta et al did it "because they envy our freedom" (that's what Bush said) and because "they envy the way we live" (that's what Cheney said). No mention is made of Israel or the role of jews in the U.S. promoting American support of Israel. In the White House, the Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, he's jewish. Dick Chaney's Chief of Staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby (now departed because he got indicted) is jewish. Chaney himself isn't jewish . . . . but his resume states that he was on the Board of Advisors of the "Jewish Institute for National Defense" (gee, I wonder if he might be pro-jewish?). Bush himself became a born-again Christian/Christian zionist in order to control his alcoholism, so he's fervently pro-Israel. Forrmer Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz - the architect of the invasion of Iraq - he's Jewish (he's now President of the World Bank, where he replaced James Wolfensohn who is jewish). Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bernancke - he's jewish - and of the 6 candidates that Bush considered for the job, 5 were jewish. And before Bernancke, we had Greenspan (who is jewish). And under Nixon we had Arthur Burns - who is jewish (basically, the job of Chairman of the Federal Reserve is now a jewish job). And with Paul Wolfowitz at the DOD, we had Douglas Feith (he's jewish). And Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, while a Christian Scientist, he made his money with Goldman Sachs, so one would expect him to be pro-jewish. And in the Clinton administration, the Treasury Secretary was Robert Rubin, is jewish (and he's now Vice-Chairman of Citicorp - fellow jew Sandy Weill brought him in). What's wrong with tracking who is jewish? When they were NOT in banking, they complained loudly that they were not in those industries. Are we not allowed to talk about them BEING IN those industries now? And that they are also running the White House, the Federal Reserve, and the World Bank (amongst other institutions). What? Are they embarassed to say that the are jews? Or do they not want it pointed out that they are running key parts of America these days? This is easily talked about and acceptable to point out in Europe, but over in America, it is not politically correct, apparently. That's why you Americans end up doing stupid things like that idiotic peace treaty that got signed under the "Camp David Accords" - you Americans got bamboozled into PAYING Israel $2.5 billion a year under that treaty - that's right, Israel wouldn't sign the peace treaty unless they got PAID. And who did the paying? Why, America of course. Why not Europe or, say, Japan? Because if that had ever been proposed, there would have been a huge outcry - we don't pay jews (or anybody else, for that matter) money to sign peace treaties. The Japanese would have laughed at you if you had asked them to pay money to Israel to sign a peace treaty. So you have to pay it. And there is no sunset provision on it - you have to pay them that money forever. WHA-HA-HA-HA!!!!! Suckers. That isn't to say that there isn't a jewish lobby over here in Europe - just look at Spain - the Spanish public overwhelmingly opposed participation in the Iraq invasion - but their gov't (with a jewish lobby pushing it) sent troops anyway against the public's wishes. So, what happens? The muslims blow up the Madrid train system and the Spanish public took to the streets in protest - NOT against the "terrorists", but against their own gov't for taking them into a war that they opposed from the get-go. Berlusconi has also recently cut the number of Italian troops in Iraq because it is causing him political problems due to the overwhelming opposition to it by the Italian public. Then why did Berlusconi do it in the first place if his country didn't want to get involved? Answer - the jewish lobby in Italy. Same thing here in Britain - we had the biggest mass demonstration since WWII against the invasion (82% of the public opposed it), but Blair went and did it anyway? Why? Look at his outside advisors - Lord Levy (jewish), tax lawyer Martin Paisner (jewish), etc. Over here in Europe, we know why they are doing it, because we know who is jewish. You Americans don't know that your country is being run by jews. Why? Because it is politically incorrect to identify people as jewish. Hell, you can't even identify Sandy Weill as being jewish on Wikipedia. But the jews will always remind you that they were excluded a 100 years ago. And they will tell you that there was a limit on the number of jews allowed into Ivy League schools in the 1920's - but they won't tell you that they are about 20% of the Ivy League student population these days, and that they are on the admissions committees and let each other in. Anyway, you Ameicans go right on ahead an spend another trillion dollars on a "war on terror" (in Europe, we consider it a "war on muslims", that there are no such things as "terrorists"). And you go on and do that without knowing why, without being told why you're in that war to begin with. You go ahead and continue to believe that Mohammed Atta did 9/11 because he "envied" you. Idiots, he hated you. Gee, I envy the Swiss and their neutrality - I guess I'm gonna consider flying an airplane into one of their buildings because of my envy. Suckers. You have got to be the biggest idiots to believe what your government has told you. The whole thing - 9/11, the "war on terror", the invasion of Iraq - the whole thing is jewish, and it's been directed by the jews. But you don't know that, because you don't even know who is jewish at the top of your country. You are not allowed to talk about it, or point it out. WHA-HA-HA-HA!!!!! Suckers.
Another reason why the protestant religion of JP Morgan is not a comparable situation - the history of the jews. The jews allegedly got thrown out of the Middle East because they controlled all the capital and lived off interest while everybody else worked. The protestants never had that history. Banking, and being bankers, is an integral part of the jews' history. But you don't want it pointed out that the top bankers are jewish again.
ButtonwoodTree, are you jewish?
[edit] Shocking, this troll should be banned
I am shocked at what the troll at 80.41.24.77 just wrote. Please spare other users your ad hominem attacks. I think this diatribe should be deleted.
[edit] Kuhn, Loeb links to other German-Jewish investment banks
Anyway, I wanted to continue a discussion that indirectly came up in Kuhn, Loeb. You say in that article "In its early years, intermarriage among the German-Jewish elite was common. Consequently, the partners of Kuhn, Loeb were closely related by blood and marriage to the partners of J & W Seligman, Speyer & Co., Goldman, Sachs & Co., Lehman Brothers and other prominent German-Jewish firms." You cited Stephen Birmingham's "Our Crowd."
I have now had a chance to read "Our Crowd" and have to say, it certainly filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge of investment banking history.
However, I continue to think that your statement about the links between Kuhn Loeb on the one hand, and Lehman Brothers and Goldman Sachs is misleading, or at least overstated. The former two banks cooperated closely in their early history, but for nearly all of the period covered by "Our Crowd", banks like Kuhn Loeb, J&W Seligman and the Warburgs clearly occupied one strata - as near equals to Morgan who financed railroads, nation-states and heavy industry - and Lehman and Goldman - as commercial paper dealers, bond dealers and financiers of merchants and retail - occupied another, much lower strata. There are numerous statements to this effect in Our Crowd.
The fact that all these banks were German Jewish houses meant that some marriages must have inevitably occurred between persons somehow affiliated with either side of this divide during this period, and perhaps in the post-War period which the book does not really cover. And it is also the case that since the 1970s, Goldman in particular has risen to the pinnacle of investment banking, and Lehman bought the faded Kuhn Loeb. But these late developments do not support the general implication of your statement that all German Jewish investment banks were in league with one another, or had material interrelationships through marriage. This is in distinction to the Warburgs and Kuhn Loeb, who were to some degree in league with one another through intermarriage at the highest levels of the bank.
It is ironic. One of the implications I thought you should avoid (because in this case it is inaccurate) was a suggestion that all Jewish banks were somehow in league with one another. And then I come here to your talk site and, lo-and-behold, I see some nut job with exactly that sentiment. I created a separate user talk page for 80.41.24.77 in case anyone has comments. I did.
In any event, thanks for your numerous valuable contributions in the area of investment banking history. They are useful for a student of the field such as me.
Cbmccarthy 18:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jessica Weill Bibliowicz
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[edit] American Express NavBox on Lehman Brothers
Hi ButtonwoodTree. First, let me thank you for the your wikipedia contributions -- you're one of the few editors who is very active in improving financial services articles, an area that's pretty lacking on wikipedia. And your perseverance on the Sandy Weill page is impressive, I certainly wouldn't be able to keep it up, and it's helping to keep the article NPOV.
I see that you reverted my addition of the American Express NavBox on the bottom of the Lehman Brothers article. I have a feeling it may be a case of seeing it on your watchlist, clicking on the diff, seeing that an american express template has been added, and reverting it for being out of place, without getting a chance to look at the template itself.
If you take a look at the template, what I've done is add a section for companies that were once part of American Express: Ameriprise Financial, First Data Corp., Lehman Brothers, American Railway Express Agency, and RiverSource. The idea is that each company has a shared history with American Express, that for instance you can't talk about American Express without talking about Ameriprise, and you can't talk about Ameriprise without talking about American Express. While they are no longer the same company, they're interrelated, and I think it's clear from the way it's stated in the NavBox that they're no longer a part of american express. But if you think there's a way to make it clearer, please let me know.
With that in mind, would you reconsider your revert? For readers, I see no downside in having the box there, it can only aid them in exploring related topics. It's at the end of the article, after all of the text, so it doesn't get in the way of the article. Thanks!
-- Crocodile Punter 08:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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Buttonwood, I realize you feel you're an expert, and maybe you are, to a limited extent, but to the family you're still an outsider.
It's not hard to find connections between Thomas R. Kuhn and George W. Bush. They're all over the internet. Thomas was a Bush Pioneer. There's your start.
Unsubstantiated?
Do your homework. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonesman322 (talk • contribs) 15:15, August 24, 2007
[edit] German Jewish
Superscript text I am surprised why you want to omit the fact that the Lehman brothers are of German-Jewish origin. Please explain, thanks marfan8
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[edit] Plainview TB sanitarium
The site you highlighted is the center for drug and alcohol addiction. The 1535 OCR site was a VA health center, but before that was a TB center. The house behind it was where the administrator lived on site, as the practice of a facility admin living on site was quite common through much of the 20th century.
Please provide your informational sources regaridng the highlighted site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.191.103 (talk) 02:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- I believe you have made a mistake. The building located at 1535 OCR was a part of the county facility located in that area and was a part of the sale made to Charles Wang, however, the tuberculosis facility, which dates to the 1930s, was located behind both 1535 and the administrator's home. For a number of reasons the assertion that 1535 was the sanitarium would seem to be incorrect. Without identifying each, please review the 1976 NY Times article which I cited. This article correctly identifies the facility at 1425 OCR as being the sanitarium. It further indicates that the sanitarium included five "Georgian style buildings", located "well off Old Country Road". A picture of one of these Georgian style buildings is in the article. The building located at 1535 is neither Georgian in style (it was clearly built after the sanitarium), nor is it "well off" OCR, indeed, it is on OCR. In addition, you will note that the administrator's home is Georgian in style, lending itself to the argument that it was built at approximately the same time as the rest of the sanitarium, which again, was in the 1930s, when TB was still a major killer that required sanitariums, not the 1960s, when TB was largely under control and not likely to necessitate the development of a new building (which, based on the architecture of 1535, appears to be when it was built). Having said all of this, it is conceivable that when 1535 was built, it was actually used for TB patients (as opposed to general county office space), however, there is no evidence to support this and in any event, when people refer to the sanitarium, they are referring to the 1930 complex identified above.
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- Bravo! Well documented research and convincing evidence. Thanks. I will see if I can find anything more regarding 1535 OCR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.191.103 (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bethpage Purchase
Hi - I've started a new article - Bethpage Purchase. I welcome your input on details, insertions, deletions, etc. --JimWae (talk) 05:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
At some point we'll have to deal with duplication between articles - but I think this article needs to go up to Old Bethpage getting its own post office (1965) - though not every event until then - but showing the development of the communities. Probably need to include Plainview/Manetto Hill & Plainedge a bit more too. I do not think the story can be properly told when it hacked up to fit each separate hamlet article --JimWae (talk) 05:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Rim of the Woods" purchase is generally poorly documented & may have been included in maps as being part of the Bethpage Purchase. Additionally, some sources seem confused by the deed signing being so much later than the purchase & at least one source has interpreted that as the "Rim of the Woods Purchase" --JimWae (talk) 05:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
It was refreshing to work on an article that was not linked to - I was able to start from scratch on a few topics - but I think it is pretty nearly ready for prime-time & linking now --JimWae (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] So give me the inside scoop on Lehman
They are going down right? (you can reply on this page) Lotsofissues 04:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Gair Gair Conason Steigman and Mackauf
I don't understand the reasons why this article was flagged ? Please advise so that appropriate corrections can be made Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpittet (talk • contribs) 01:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
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