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I'm reverting changes made by 81.249.65.189 as the user overwrote the previous version. Probably the contents are from a non-English site www.oberon-bwa.com. However the contents are useful and the user's last edit of 6 Jan 2004, can be gradually integrated into the article. 203.195.204.190 19:13, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] External links

Aren't saksoft, bpmpartners and claritysystems just vendor links to sell products and not adding this topic intellectually?

I've moved the following links here:

If you'd like to replace them per Wikipedia:External links please discuss it here first.
brenneman(t)(c) 00:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I've removed a few more vendors who link directly to their own commercial sites. Is a vendors section really appropriate here? Claudine McClean 10:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Corporate performance management is basically Gartner's term for what everyone else calls Business performance management. CPM should be merged here. --Nelson Ricardo 01:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, BPM refers to a single business process (ie order processing, collections, customer acquistion) and the management/optimization of it with technological solutions like webmethods and corporate performance management is more of an umbrella method which looks very top down at an enterprise level with iterative drill downs.
Analogy-wise CPM is like overall management of a car including driving, making payments, paying insurance, washing, etc. And BPM is like optimizing the driving experience.
CPM and BPM are distinct and thus can not be merged. --138.89.183.211, 12 March 2006
I think both can be merged under BPM. --202.144.57.179, 21 March 2006
The two terms refer to the same thing. As long as corporate performance management maintains its presence (appears as an entry), I'm fine with the same definition. Gartner, who are heavyweights in this arena, call it CPM, so that name is not likley to go away. BPM suffers from confusion with "Business Process Management" which is distinct from business performance management. Therefore, if any term was going to be the "VHS-winner", I would go with corporate performance management. But we're at the point where people call it a number of things. Plus, as some reviewers have noted, it's more of an approach than a "thing."--205.210.232.62 18:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
June 2006 I think CPM can be subsumed under BPM and specifically under the Business Process Architecture (BPA) community of BPM. As a vendor in the space, I do not think there should be a vendors link area here. Content should be neutral for the long term and this space of the IT market is in high speed flux (vendor thrashing/merging).

As long as Corporate Performance Management (CPM) remains a named process by several companies including Oracle....may be lets leave that page alone with links to Business Performance so that people can find it. --Robbiejena 19:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

In fact, CPM was coined to remove the confusion between "business PERFORMANCE management" and "business PROCESS management". It's the better term to use for that reason.

In fact tthe best term is CPM for Performance Management and BPM for Process Management. This is the right terms to use.


Since Business Performance Management and Corporate Performance Management are synonymous, the articles should be merged. It is confusing to have two entries for the same subject. The problem is not with the term "Business Performance Management" which is clearly the same as "Corporate Performance Management" but rather with the abbreviation BPM, since that is often used to refer to "Business Process Management." Searching for BPM should lead to a BPM (Disambiguation) page.

Merge. Any distinction is, in my view, one being pushed by some providers for some kind of marketing advantage. Paul Beardsell 10:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep it separate, there are distinct purposes to utilize these different terms. Just like the difference between OLTP and OLAP, they are distinct, separate. Corporate Performance management will facilitate business decisions based on the aggregation of all companies, under a corporation. Business Performance Management is that of a single entity. In my view, there are many challenges faced in CPM that do not exist in most BPM solutions. For example, a single entity will likely not have to worry about cubes created utilizing remote clusters with split partitions. These challenges are unique to CPM. When BI matures, this may be a little more obscure, but until that happens the solutions, management and tuning are different.Anmont 08:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge. Based on what is currently written about it they appear to be synonymous. I would have figured that in 9 months since this merge discussion started the terms would at least have been rewritten to be marginally different. Radagast83 17:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by 72.137.208.50

CPM and BPM are just 2 TLAs used for the same thing (others are EPM (Enterprise Performance Management) and OPM (Organizational performance Management). These have all been coined by different thought leaders, software companies etc. some of which claim that their definition is better and/or different than the other guys'. CPM was the original and was coined by Gartner. However, the term "Performance Management" (PM) apppears to be in use more and more as an attempt to break through the confusion.

Since there so many different definitions of PM, it is diffcult to be precise about its definition. However, Business intelligence (BI) software is usually taken to be a subset of PM software - though even this is disputed. BI is usually associated with gathering and displaying information. Another type of PM is Financial analytics. This software is concerned not only with reporting on information but collaborative planning, forecasting and analysing finacial data. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.137.208.50 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Summary of my edit today

1. resources: Assets like property, yes, but there are intangible assets like patents that can also be better used. 2. Definition needed some beefing up 3. Created reference section to have references all together 4. Various rewording of sentences to make more sense or be less inelegant Poweroid 16:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ad cleanup

I've added an ad cleanup tag, the whole thing seems to be promoting rather than summarizing the concept, and I really don't see the need for a "Vendors" section either. I would also not be surprised to see the EL section become a spam magnet. Seraphimblade 01:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Microsoft talk about Business Process Management for BPM. Is it the same thing tha Business Performance Magagement ?

[edit] Business performance is comprehensive term

Business performance measurement relates to overall performance of business and has therefore different perspective than exertional or marketing perfromnace. Business performance should use overall metrics for measuring as to how Business as a whole is fairing in market place. In terms of customer goodwill, RONA, Profitability, human resource quality and stability, structural and fundamental strengths and competitive advantages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.210.47.10 (talk) 08:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)