Talk:Busch Memorial Stadium

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Contents 1 Football? 2 Best talk and Citizen Kane 3 External links 4 Disambig 5 improve 6 made disambig 7 Requested move 7.1 Survey

[edit] Football?

Should most of the focus be on the baseball uses of the stadium? The Gridbirds left in the 80s and it was originally designed as a baseball stadium. I dunno, it just seems that football having its own section and no section for baseball is something that could be addressed. Phyrkrakr (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Best talk and Citizen Kane

(Original message posted to User talk:Woohookitty):

I wanted to let you know before I do anything that I plan to add back the concept you deleted from the Busch Stadium article. Although the "best multipurpose stadium" is opinion, it is a very widely held opinion that Busch Stadium was the best or one of the best of the lot. See [1] and [2] and [3], to name a few. Given the very low opinion of the multipurpose stadium in general, the phrase "best multipurpose stadium" is not much a compliment, but I think it does add appropriate information to the article. If you have any strong objections, please let me know. I am also going to post this same message on the article's Talk page. -- DS1953 14:53, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

I have objections. It's POV. Words like "best" really shouldn't be on Wikipedia except in extreme cases. Opinions really shouldn't be in articles. --Woohookitty 15:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

As it was originally written, I agree that it was POV. I disagree strongly, however, that words like "best" shouldn't be on Wikipedia "except in extreme cases". If properly worded and appropriately sourced, commonly held opinions are reportable facts. Thus, in Citizen Kane, when the article states "Many critics consider Citizen Kane the best film ever made," that is a verifiable fact that puts the film in proper perspective and distinguishes it from such other fine films as Police Academy 7. Similarly, language along the lines of "Although the multipurpose sports stadium has generally been criticized by writers and fans alike, many writers have recognized Busch Stadium as one of the best multipurpose stadiums" is not POV if it is verifiable. It is just a statement of fact. -- DS1953 16:33, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

(Original message posted to User talk:Aaron Brenneman):

Aaron, I see you removed two links from the Busch Stadium article. I would point out that (1) Wikipedia:External links is only a style guideline, (2) Wikipedia talk:External links clarifies that in some cases such links are appropriate, (3) it is almost impossible to convey the months-long demolition without the time lapse photos, and (4) I like the links (I watched one of them several times when it was first posted). I think that they add tremendous value to the article.

I agree with you that the web cam of the new stadium should not be on the page. Whether it should be at Busch Stadium III is a debate for another day, since I have never edited that article.

I propose to add the other two back, but I do think that the one should be moved from the main text to the "External links" section.

If you have a strong objection, I will post my arguments on the talk page before I take the action, but if you don't, I would like to just do it. -- DS1953 ^talk 03:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to give any other contributors a chance to weigh in before we do anything. I'll also wait a day or two and look back at them, things are often more clear to me aftre I let my brain work them over in the background.
brenneman^(t)(c) 04:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• The link to the time-lapse demolition of Busch should definitely be restored. It provides dramatic documentation of the surprisingly fast de-construction of the 40-year-old stadium. Wahkeenah 04:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig

I added a disambiguational blurb at the beginning...post comments here, please. Clarkefreak ∞ 01:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Good idea. An evolving situation, I assume... Once the new one is actually open, it will be become the "primary" Busch Stadium with the recently-demolished one the secondary. In fact, now that "Busch II" is no longer standing and "Busch III" is approaching being completed, I think you should do it right away. d:) Wahkeenah 02:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] improve

Very disappointed with this article. Wouldn't we want to keep the new stadium info out of this article. In has its own, link to it Busch Stadium III or something? Common st. louis!

J. Crocker 02:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] made disambig

Made it disambig, please help fix links.

J. Crocker 03:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that Busch Stadium should point directly to Busch 3 now, and we should change the name of Busch 3 to just Busch. My thoughts. --Jcarkeys 23:64, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• I think we should hold on and see how the Cardinals team, announcers, etc. label the new park. I'm sure they'll be calling it "Busch Stadium III" or "New Busch" for awhile, but it won't be long before it's just plain "Busch Stadium", and then you could make the final adjustments. Wahkeenah 00:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that "Busch Stadium" should just link directly to Busch III, since that is the currently-used stadium...I added my disambig blurb during the interregnum of the offseason, and had on my personal to-do list to move things around once the season rolled around. We should just link this to that page, with a disambig blurb at the beginning for Sportsman's and Busch II. Clarkefreak ∞ 03:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, shouldn't "Old Busch Stadium" redirect here? toll_booth 13:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)