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Contents 1 Spanish Gibraltarians 1.1 References 2 Catalan people 3 Userpage vandalism 4 Latino 5 3rr warning 6 Henrymark 7 Revert to Chile 8 Gibraltar 9 Hay dios mio 10 Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion 11 Southernmost peninsula in Europe? 12 IP addresses used by banned user Gibraltarian 13 Sundar 14 Jmabel 15 Re:Your message 16 Gibraltar 17 Castile 18 Nato & WOT 19 I agree 20 Randroide 11-M 21 Gibraltar 22 Reporting 23 Gibnews 24 RfC sobre Gibnews 25 Re 11M 26 No problem 27 Burgas00, stop vandalizing 11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings 28 Answer to Burgas00 proposal 29 Spanish architecture 30 Mistake 31 Please don't delete other people's comments 32 Mudéjar y Castilla 33 AsiaH / Zinedine Zidane 34 Latino edits 35 IDF 36 Your conduct on the 2006 Israeli-Hezzbollah conflict 37 NPOV tag on Civilian attacks 38 Care to comment? 39 User:Bokpasa 40 Castilla, ¿nación? 41 Talk:El Mundo (Spain) 42 User:Cerebral Warrior 43 AN User:Cerebral Warrior 44 Please comment (the Cerebral Warrior issue) 45 Blocked for 24 hours 46 References 47 Beit Hanoun 48 Spanish Gibraltarians 49 Your comment in Talk:Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident 50 Maltese people 51 Afd 52 Ongoing 53 Fellah mengu 54 List of massacres commited by Israeli forces 55 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spanish Gibraltarians (2nd nomination) 56 Referencing system for Spanish Gibraltarians 57 Mediation 58 Chilean edits 59 Not Spanish? 60 Not vandalism 61 11-M 62 Arbitration request - Madrid train bombings 63 Wikiproject Gibraltar 64 A(u)st(u)rian 65 Veritas 66 You removed sourced content 67 You introduced POV 68 Your comments about Hispanic 69 Jewish Gibraltarians 70 your message 71 POV edit 72 POV edit 73 I removed two lines added by you 74 11-M 75 Yes, I reported you 76 Gibnews 77 Your comment on the Gibraltar talk page... 78 Your vandalism of Gibraltar page and attack of Brit wikipedians 79 Battle of Jenin 80 Friendly notice 81 Blocked 82 Editing an AfD-nominated article 83 Blind reversions 84 suspicious behavior 85 Blocked for Disruptive editing on Battle of Jenin 86 You may have missed this 87 Murder of Tali Hatuel 88 You poor harki, why don't you get a life? 89 Spanish people

[edit] Spanish Gibraltarians

The term Spanish Gibraltarians, as opposed to the present inhabitants of Gibraltar, is most commonly used to describe those inhabitants of Gibraltar who left (voluntarily or forcibly) the town of Gibraltar during the British conquest of this town from Spain. 4000 Gibraltarians left the town in 1704 - the vast majority of Gibraltar's population at that time.

Their descendants are to be found mainly in San Roque and La Línea de la Concepción - what is know as the "Campo de Gibraltar" as well as in Algeciras and Los Barrios. They are also to be found in Gibraltar proper due to later immigration from these neighbouring towns as well intermarriage between modern-day Gibraltarians and residents of these three towns. Most of the descendants of these Gibraltarians do not form any tight knit community and are now dispersed throughout southern Spain. However the historical memory of their origins is maintained particularly in San Roque, where 90 families originating in Gibraltar have founded an association called Heirs of Gibraltar.1

For a full account of the Spanish exodus of Gibraltar, see history section of: San Roque, Cádiz.

Spanish Gibraltarians also refers to the small number of Gibraltarians who decided to stay on the territory after British occupation as well as those people from Spain and their descendents who immigrated into the territory during the 18th, 19th and 20th century. In 1816, for example, Spaniards still constituted 28% (11,401) of the total population of Gibraltar. Nevertheless, the number of Spanish Gibraltarians was drastically reduced by 1840 (14% of total), largely due to Governor Wooford (1838-1842) who reduced the number of residence permits granted to foreigners. This, together with the cheaper accomodation available in the adjacent town of La Linea de la Concepcion, led to a large number of Gibraltarians relocating to this town. Differences thus developed between Gibraltarians who held British nationality and the working class of Gibraltar due to English-style education and readier access to health and charity. For a history of Spanish immigration into Gibraltar see :2 The most famous Spanish Gibraltarians is fashion designer John Galliano, born in Gibraltar to Spanish parents.

The term Spanish Gibraltarian is also informally used, in the UK, to refer to those modern-day Gibraltarians who are primarily of Spanish language and culture, as opposed to British ex-patriates living on the territory. These Gibraltarians, who constitute a majority, do not hold Spanish nationality and are not even necessarily of Spanish origin. Nevertheless, they do constitute a majority of the inhabitants of Gibraltar. The earliest documented use of this term was made by Colonel Thomsett of the RAMC, who was in Gibraltar in 1890, and classified Gibraltarians as either 'those who had been to London' and spoke English, and Spanish Gibraltarians, those who could hardly muster a few words in English. This at a time when only around 3% of Gibraltarians had been to England. 3

[edit] References

1. Spaniards in Gibraltar after the Treat of Utrecht, Tito Benady, Transborder Institute of the Straights of Gibraltar. A history of Spanish Gibraltarians and Spanish immigration to Gibraltar from the Treaty of Utrecht to the present day. 1
2. Cronica, El Mundo. Article appeared on Spanish journal El Mundo, October 2002 on the Heirs of Gibraltar Association in San Roque, Spain. 2
3. Official website of Town Council of San Roque, Cadiz, offering a historical account of the Spanish Gibraltarians who founded the city. 3
4. Vogue Magazine, describing John Galliano as Spanish Gibraltarian.4
5. Article in the Daily Telegraph on Gregory Burke's play "The Straights", in which he depicts his childhood as an English expatriate in Gibraltar. Burke describes the rivalry between the local "Spanish Gibraltarian" and British expatriate kids.5

[edit] Catalan people

Hello, you expressed interest in the article on the Catalan people and I wanted your input along with others on the article as it now stands after my expansion and rewrite. Thanks. Tombseye 20:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, as per your suggestion I checked out the Spanish sections and didn't find a whole lot. I added though that many in Valencia itself consider themselves distinct etc. If there's anything you want to add, feel free to do so as I wrote to you to get your input. Thanks for the advice. Tombseye 23:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userpage vandalism

Burgas00, don't engage in userpage vandalism as you did to Al-Andalus. If you keep it up you could be blocked.--Cúchullain t c 07:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC) zidane in berbere means sweet and this is only berbere name you arab people you want have all the world you build whithout fondation its that way you have nothing in stand why don t you take this thief in barbes( PARIS) and call him arab pourquoi?it s true and it s mutch beter

[edit] Latino

Sure, I'll keep an eye on it. He's been inactive for about twenty-five minutes now, though. Also had to revert a change on Latina! ConDem^Talk 18:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rr warning

3RR warning

Hi. Having just blocked someone for Latino, I'm going to point out to you that your edits there nearly got you blocked too. Please *don't* stray over 4R/24h even from the best of motives unless reverting *blatant vandalism* (which this, I think, wasn't). However, since I'm fairly sure you were acting from good motives and did make efforts to discuss it, I'm not going to block you William M. Connolley 19:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Henrymark

Henrymark was blocked again as of 22:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC) by Kungfuadam. Just thought I'd inform you so you know the situation (should be) under control. In other news, here's a smile for you! Cowman109^Talk 22:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert to Chile

Thanks for getting the rest of that vandalism that I missed in Chile. ... discospinster 14:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

That's one of those things I try to avoid. :) I got burnt on it many many times at the beginning of the year and I'd rather not revisit that. I'd suggest asking the Mediation Cabal. They do informal mediations, which is what I think you are looking for. --Woohookitty^(meow) 14:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It's so boring to fight with obsessed and unfair people like Gibnews, hope with the last link to the June 2006 IMF report he will have to stop or discover himself again and again with his dirty tricks, e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gibraltar&diff=63013583&oldid=62977600 --Panchurret 10:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hay dios mio

No sabes donde te has metio :o) No iba decir mas nada pero ilir se estaba pasando una barbaridad. Además hoy me ha cogido de una mala leche increible porque me han pateado el coche en la puerta un hooligan vete tu a saber porque (estoy deseando que a inglaterra le vaya bien en el mundial porque como no sea así a ver si me van a quemar el coche o algo). Bueno, ya hablaremos y gracias por echarle un ojo a san roque. A ver con que nos sale gibnews ahora. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 22:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

Hello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 21:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southernmost peninsula in Europe?

Hello Burgas00! I'm removing the sentence you added the the Iberian Peninsula article ("It is the southernmost of the three southern European peninsulas (i.e. Iberian, Italian and Balkan peninsulas)"). It is not very relevant or true! All of the aforementioned peninsulas run, more or less, between the 35th and 45th parallels north. The Ogre 14:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IP addresses used by banned user Gibraltarian

• 212.120.226.45
• 212.120.226.248
• 212.120.225.13
• 212.120.224.80
• 212.120.224.159
• 212.120.225.86
• 212.120.225.215
• 212.120.224.36
• 212.120.237.110
• 212.120.236.198
• 212.120.236.253
• 212.120.224.134
• 212.120.224.126
• 212.120.224.229
• 212.120.225.125
• 212.120.227.109
• 195.244.200.39
• 212.120.224.218
• 212.120.237.180

[edit] Sundar

Hi. I had a look at the talk archives and the issue seems to need a deep review. I'm in the middle of something else (outside of Wikipedia) and hence can't immediately intervene. At first sight though, it appears that Gibnews has a deep POV. I can only visit this tomorrow during the day (IST). Sorry for not being of much help. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 13:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to tell you that I don't have the energy to do that. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 11:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jmabel

I doubt I'll have time to really look into this in the near future, though I'll try. If you feel that there are problems with his conduct, and at least two people have tried and failed to resolve the issue, you could start an RFC and then, if that doesn't resolve the matter, request mediation. Otherwise, given your description, if I wade in I'll just be one more person for him to revert. - Jmabel | Talk 16:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Your message

I'll take a look at it tomorrow. In the meantime, you might also consider searching for a compromise. Mariano(t/c) 16:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

Hi - I'll be glad to take a look, just give me a little while since my time is pretty limited. Thanks.. Ramallite ^(talk) 16:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Castile

Hola, Burgas00. Estoy de acuerdo contigo en cuanto a que los castellanos tienen derecho, al igual que el resto, a cualquier ideología. No creo que eso sea el problema. De hecho, existe un grupo nacionalista, que creo que tienen un predicamento muy limitado, pero ahí están. No se trata de eso. Yo tengo derecho a autoproclamarme descendiente directo de Sir Winston Churchill, pero eso no hará que lo que diga sea verdad. En una enciclopedia tienen que aparecer informaciones contrastadas, o, si no, figurar como "Algunos opinan..." o "el partido X afirma...". Lo confieso, no soy un etnólogo, y a lo mejor estoy completamente equivocado. pero presumo de intentar estar medianamente informado en cuanto a historia. La mezcla de vetones, vacceos, carpetos, romanos, árabes, judíos, visigodos, y posteriormente franceses e inmigrantes del resto de Europa creo que no se puede sostener como una etnia. Pero lo que hace que dicha información sea discutible no es que yo lo crea o no, sino que no he encontrado rastro de esa teoría en ningún lado. No por supuesto en libros de historia, sino, lo que es más llamativo, en los actuales debates en los que muchos grupos reinventan su historia a la carta. Sólo te pido, que si no se trata de una elucubración personal, sino que has lo has leído en algún lado, que cites la fuente, y así se podría dirimir el grado de aceptación histórica y social de esa teoría. Luego está la otra, que afecta a todo el artículo y que creo que deriva de la (por otro lado deseable para este proyecto) participación de distintos editores. Me da la sensación de que cada frase alude a un significado distinto de Castilla, con lo cual, aunque cada frase pudiera ser correcta en su contexto, todas mezcladas indiscriminadamente hacen que el artículo se convierta en un "jardín" de difícil resolución. Mezclando los límites de los distintos momentos del Reino de Castilla, con Castilla La Nueva y La Vieja, o con las actuales comunidades autónomas. ¿Crees aplicable a la Comunidad de Castilla-La Mancha aseveraciones que se puedan hacer del Condado de Castilla de los primeros tiempos de la Reconquista? Todos se llaman Castilla, pero son realidades muy diferentes. Espero que no haya molestado la introducción de una página de desambiguación que creo que era indispensable. Imagínate: en un artículo sobre Isabel of Castile, el que le da al link para informarse sobre Castile, en vez de remitirle a la información sobre el reino en cuestión se le lleva a estas disquisiciones sobre una identidad castellana. O un artículo sobre, por un poner, José Bono, o la economía en Soria y ¡Zas! el plano de Castilla que recibe el visitante es una extraña mezcolanza de distintos tiempos históricos. No digo que el artículo no tenga lugar en esta enciclopedia: al revés, creo que es muy necesario para precisamente aclarar esas ambigüedades y distinguir qué significa Castilla en cada momento, pero ahora, tal y como está, el artículo no hace más que ahondar en la confusión del pobre lector angloparlante que no tiene porqué saber a priori todos eso matices. Claramente necesita un remozado a fondo. No voy a ser yo quien lo haga, porque mi nivel de inglés hace que meta algunas patas gramaticales y mi estilo es bastante básico, pero me extraña que no haya cincuenta, castellanos o no, dedicados a la tarea. En general, los artículos sobre España están bastante abandonados salvo en alguna materia concreta. En fin, como somos pocos los que nos hemos preocupado un poquito en editar y paliar los enormes vacíos en la medida de nuestras posibilidades, es bueno que estemos en contacto, debatamos cordialmente nuestras diferencias de criterio, y aunemos esfuerzos. Un saludo,--Garcilaso 09:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

¡Perfecto! Vamos entendiéndonos. Si interpretas etnia como "grupo cultural", y no como grupo con orígenes comunes, lo mejor es explicitarlo en el artículo, porque es un término que suele aludir a "orígenes comunes" y puede derivar en un error de interpretación. P.D. Respecto al partido de ayer, sin comentarios...--Garcilaso 12:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nato & WOT

I reverted your edit to the War on Terror page where you stated Nato was not part of it. Please see information regarding Operation Active Endeavor, this is a NATO operation and self proclaimed to be part of the WOT. Thank you --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 13:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I agree

I agree with you about your arugment against Al-Andalus on the Chile page. For one his "sources" are not very creditable. I think something should be done. Also I think he is very biast, just look at his talk page and edits. I think we have pently of ground to find a way to ban him for awhile. (IIIV 03:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC))

Wow! A wee bit harsh there, I don't even know who this you talk about. Next time if you should be more sympathetic towards others especially when they feel the same point of view you do. Take care (IIIV 14:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC))

It's fine Lad. I was wondering what all the aggro was about.=P I don't know what this blokes problem is. He seems to have a very objective view that is blatanly wrong might I add. Shall we do something about this. Take care. (IIIV 15:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Randroide 11-M

Hola Burgass00. Por fin puedo hablar contigo en castellano.

He añadido un enlace con datos del sumario 20/2004 para respaldar parte de mis afirmaciones en nuestra pasada discusión en Talk:11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings.

Te lo digo por si acaso tuvieses algo que añadir...

Un cordial saludo. Randroide 17:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

[[1]] [[2]] [[3]] [[4]] [[5]] [[6]] [[7]] [[8]] [[9]] [[10]] [[11]] [[12]] [[13]] [[14]] [[15]] [[16]] [[17]] [18]

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gibraltar&diff=60064720&oldid=60064360
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gibraltar&diff=54783284&oldid=54781093

1. http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/launder/regions/2002/0430stymie.htm

1. http://www.state.gov/p/inl/rls/nrcrpt/2006/vol2/html/62140.htm

[edit] Reporting

WP:ANB for an informal complaint and WP:RFC for more serious issues. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What he said. —Celestianpower ^háblame 12:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gibnews

If you like, you can file a Requests for comment regarding his behavior (you must get another user to co-certify the report with you, however). 16:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I see you've opened the RfC page. However, it currently has no content on it other than the template. Please fill out the subsections in the "Statement of the dispute" section so that readers (especially those unfamiliar with the situation) will know what this is all about. If you need time to gather the diffs, at least you can provide a short summary to begin with. 18:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You may take your time in preparing this report, but remember the 48-hour time limit. 18:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC sobre Gibnews

He firmado como usuario que ha participado en la disputa. Me he tenido que informar un poco primero viendo otros de la página Wikipedia:Requests for comment/All#User conduct, creo que deberías incluir ahí a Gibnews. Por cierto, veo que te has equivocado duplicando tu firma en Other users who endorse this summary. Si no lo has hecho tú antes, voy a dejarle una enlace al RfC a Asterion y Ecemaml, deberíamos revisar el historial de Gibraltar y pedir la opinión al mayor número de usuarios que hayan sufrido a Gibnews. un saludo! --Panchurret 19:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look at whatever evidence you have, but to be honest I'm not sure that it's appropriate at this stage - it feels a bit early for it... -- ChrisO 22:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

This is what I think too. It would make more sense to stop this and going for a RfC on Gibraltar or whatever other article this is concerning. Perdona que no te respondiese antes pero acabo de volver de vacaciones y casi mejor que no me hubiese ido por el trabajo acumulado que me he encontrado. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 18:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Estoy de acuerdo con Asterion. -- Szvest 21:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Have a look at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#When_to_use_an_article_RfC instead. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 22:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Burgas, esto lo que dice el articulo de OECD:

Gibraltar was among 35 jurisdictions identified by the OECD in June 2000 as meeting the technical criteria for being a tax haven. As a result of having made a commitment in accordance with the OECD's 2001 Progress Report on the OECD's Project on Harmful Tax Practices, Gibraltar will not be included in the list of unco-operative tax havens to be issued shortly. The OECD looks forward to working with Gibraltar and encourages other jurisdictions to come forward with similar commitments.

Puedes evitar todo el rollo y añadir el texto en bold con la misma referencia. La idea es de estar lo mas neutro posible. Eso creo resueltara el caso sin ir por el Rfc o otra cosa. Eso funcionara. -- Szvest 22:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

No Burgas. No estoy sucumbiendo in su retórica. Conozco muy bien Gibraltar y sé muy bien que aun sigue siendo un paraiso fiscal. Lo que he mencionado arriba es que no he podido encontrar una lista donde Gibraltar esta incluida o mencionada como PF. Sé tambien que GIbraltar tiene mas empresas per capita que qualiquier otro pais europeo. Todo eso significa que es un PF. Lo que quiero decir es que solamente mencionar eso en el articulo con referencias seria suficiente. Si el vuelve a quitarlo, seria yo quien tomare las medidas necesarias. -- Szvest 09:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

No es necesario de hacer el copy and paste. Puedes resumirlo y referenciarlo con la referencia de arriba. -- Szvest 19:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Burgas, la RfC no va a ningún sitio. Me parece una mala idea y no se ha conseguido nada sino enfadar a Gibnews. Te aconsejo que la cierres e intentemos arreglar las cosas de otra manera. Lo que propongo es hacer una lista de asuntos en los que hay desacuerdo y ver como los tratamos, uno por uno. Saludos, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 17:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

La verdad es que no estoy seguro de como cerrarla. Szvest seguro que lo sabe. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 18:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Esta es una de las razones por las que creo que lo de la RfC sobre Gibnews en si no era una buena idea [19]. Por mi experiencia con otros articulos polemicos, una vez que se llega al estado de bloquear a gente y lo demás, cuesta mucho trabajo salir del hoyo. En serio creo que lo mejor es intentar trabajar todos juntos en los artículos. Si le probamos a Gibnews que no tiene ningún sentido el asumir mala fé mejor. El problema es que después de hacer lo de la RfC va a ser difícil. La cosa es que sus artículos son buenos pero intuye una conspiración a la vuelta de cada esquina. Si gente como ChrisO intenta reescribir alguno de los artículos, mejor que mejor. Lo he visto hacerlo antes y es bastante bueno (incluyendo ambas versiones desde un punto de vista neutral). Te pido por favor que no cabrees a Gibnews, sino esto va a acabar sin arreglo ninguno. Estoy dispuesto a trabajar en una RfC sobre History of Gibraltar si quieres para ver si alguien ajeno a la disputa se mete a intentar las cosas. Tal y como Gibnews se debe sentir ahora, cualquier cosa que hagamos le va a sentir como un tiro y tampoco es plan. E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 18:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

El problema es que se piensa que ańadimos cosas para hacerle la puńeta y después de hacer la RfC sobre él ahora se lo cree incluso más. Por cierto, Gibraltarian parece haberla tomado conmigo de nuevo (mira el historial de mi talkpage). E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 19:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re 11M

Hola Burgas. He creado esta pagina User talk:FayssalF/11M para resolver el tema. -- Szvest 13:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No problem

No problem. Cheers -- Szvest 21:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Burgas00, stop vandalizing 11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings

Burgas00 this is vandalism, and you know it, and you also know that there is a discussion going on about the issue.

Stop doing vandalism or I will have to request administrative action against your vandalism.

If you get very emotional (as you said) about the 11-M issue, please remember that facts are facts, and that sourced facts can make no harm to the person who chooses to face reality.

Nevertheless, your addition of new sourced facts is welcome and encouraged. I suggest you to use your time in a much more constructive manner: Searching sources to a lot of assertions you made, which are unsourced, and thus, are fair game for deletion. I marked those assertions, it´s up to you to give sources. Please, I beg you: Stop working for destruction and start workinf for constrution.

Burgas00...no hagas esas cosas, hombre de Dios, que son muy feas y no estan toleradas en esta Wikipedia (la Wikipedia en castellano ya es otro cantar). Un saludo Randroide 09:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Answer to Burgas00 proposal

I do not agree. I worked a lot to integrate the new sourced data you aported and integrating also your blanking.

Now it is your turn to work: Neutralize what you think should be neutralized, but leave the article as it is now. And do not delete any sourced data.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your new mood for working to add new sourced data, not to delete present sourced data. Cheers. Randroide 12:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Gun control=Victim disarment Randroide 12:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish architecture

¡Hola, Burgas00! ¿Podrías echar un vistazo a CotW, donde he propuesto Spanish architecture como candidata? Me harías un favor si apoyases la iniciativa. Aunque el artículo está creciendo sin necesidad de ser CotW, me vendría muy bien para el empujón de editores angloparlantes, porque queda "tela" de trabajo por hacer. Muchas gracias, --Garcilaso 19:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC) P.D.: Te veo agitadillo últimamente: Gibraltar, 11-M... ¿Cómo quedó lo de RfC?,¿sirvió para algo?. Un saludo.

Gracias por el apoyo. :-)--Garcilaso 11:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake

[edit] Please don't delete other people's comments

Especially since my normal browser doesn't seem to be able to handle that page anymore. Deleting other people's comments is called vandalism. Dr Debug (Talk) 15:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Just don't do it again, because I use one of the browsers which cannot handle the full page anymore. Dr Debug (Talk) 15:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mudéjar y Castilla

¡Hola, Burgas00! Me alegro de leerte otra vez! Vamos al grano del asunto: "Castile (historical region)", a mi juicio no debe de tener la categoría Al Ándalus, aunque, como bien dices, mucho de su territorio fue una vez Al Ándalus. Como entidad en sus vertientes política, sociológica y religiosa y cultural nunca fue Al-Ándalus. Fue uno de los reinos que ocuparon el terriorio que una vez fue Al Ándalus, y antes Hispania. Colocar la etiqueta de países extintos a todo aquel territorio que una vez formó parte del mismo nos llevaría a un absurdo generalizado. Tendríamos que etiquetar como Imperio Romano la mayoría de los países y materias relativas a Europa, y lo mismo con el Imperio Austro-Húngaro, o poner Categoría: España a los Países Bajos y una buena parte de Ámérica, de Tierra de Fuego a California. La etiqueta Reconquista con la que he sustituido Al Ándalus en los reinos cristianos peninsulares, es de lo más satisfactorio, porque afina cuál fue la relación principal con Al-Ándalus y aunque también hubo pactos y amistades, y más de los que parece, es más ajustada. Así se puede acceder a ese campo de la información a partir de la categoría Islam, o Al Ándalus sin meterse en terrenos cenagosos[20], y así también le ha parecido correcto a Tigeroo. Ahora, estando categorizado Crown of Castile como Reconquista (o sea, una rama de la categoría Al Ándalus), ese contenido ya es accesible. Pero el artículo Castilla, tal y como está enfocado, sobre aspectos sociológicos e idiosincrásicos, no me parece que tenga cabida en la categoría.

Mudéjar: esto es más complejo, pero voy a intentar repetir mi argumentación mejor, a ver si en español puedo matizar con más precisión. Yo sé que es muy fácil dejarse llevar por las apariencias de los nombres, y meter en el mismo saco mudéjar, mozárabe, morisco, muladí... todo suena a lo mismo, pero no lo es, ni mucho menos. Los mudéjares eran un grupo que observaban los ritos y creencias islámicas, con lo cual, como grupo sí se les debe etiquetar como islámicos. Ahora bien, otra cosa es la arquitectura mudéjar (que, por otro lado, no sólo se hizo con arquitectos y mano de obra árabe -mudéjares-, sino tambien de los reinos que les alojaban): Esa arquitectura, por definición, y aquí hablamos de la "adscripción religiosa" del estilo, no de la influencia de una cultura, era cristiana, para uso cristiano, hecha en territorio cristiano, eran palacios de señores cristianos y judíos, e iglesias, monasterios y catedrales cristianas y alguna sinagoga. Sus características estructurales corresponden a condicionantes de tipologías cristianas, como techumbre de la nave oblonga característica de las iglesias basilicales, que resolvieron con el artesonado, o la solución de las torres campanario. La influencia cultural, e incluso la adscripción religiosa de la mayoría de sus alarifes están perfectamente representadas con las categorías "Al-Ándalus" (que como digo, ya es una licencia puesto que no se construyeron ahí) y "Muslim Communities", pero la arquitectura, por mucho que el nombre y la decoración así pudiera llevar a confunsión, no era islámica. Eso sólo puede provenir del desconocimiento de los hechos, y así como puede haber en mí un exceso de celo respecto al tema de "Castile", por las recientes reivindicaciones de Al Zawahiri y, antes, de los que se arrogaron los atentados de Madrid, en este caso un islamista fanático nunca reivindicaría esa arquitectura, pues fue un acto de colaboración entre culturas voluntario y productivo que originó algunos de los más bellos conjuntos monumentales, y demostró que el taparse los oídos al entorno y llevar una doctrina al extremo de la destrucción da mucho menos rédito para la historia que la colaboración entre distintos puntos de vista. La Alhambra se construyó también desde esa perspectiva, al otro lado de la frontera. Otro ejemplo curioso fueron los almohades, que llegaron para velar por la ortodoxia de esos reinos "decadentes", y lo que aportaron fue la destrucción completa de Medina Azahara, y de la obra de sus predecesores, los almorávides, de los que nos quedan obras contadas y pequeños fragmentos inconexos. Cuando se establecieron y vieron las ventajas del trato con sus vecinos, entonces nos dejaron la Giralda.

Bueno, que me voy por las ramas, la intención del usuario que ha desatado todo esto no era más que conectar los datos para que alguien interesado en la cultura islámica pudiese acceder a través de las categorías a estos temas, y creo que eso está logrado. Espero que mis explicaciones te resulten convincentes, y en cualquier caso, aguardo tu opinión al respecto con el máximo interés. Un saludo, --Garcilaso 11:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sí, las categorías deben de abarcar los temas relacionados diractamente con los títulos de las mismas, pero a la vez tienen que ser exactas y no inducir a errores de concepto. No tengo ningún problema en que a través de de Al-Ándalus se llegue a esos temas, pero la creación de una categoría específica que abarque todas las influencias árabes en España me parece más exacto que atribuirle a Al-Ándalus, a capón, un artículo sobre el Cardenal Cisneros o similares. No se me ocurre mejor nombre que "Moorish influence in Spanish history after 1492", incluida en Category: Al-Ándalus. Así no se le niega la información a nadie y tampoco se induce a errores, que está la cosa "calentita". Espero tu opinión al respecto. Un saludo, --Garcilaso 13:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AsiaH / Zinedine Zidane

Regarding your entry to AsiaH's talk page, perhaps you should have asked them to cite the information used to change the article instead, as per Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Thanks, BalthCat 04:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latino edits

Hi there, I reverted your reversion to Latino (not the Henyrmark ones, of course, but the one that reverted the introduction change). Could you please bring up on the talk page why you would like to revert to the older version of the introduction? Certain problems could be addressed, but we can't keep an article the same for forever :). Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 15:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IDF

Forget it. I made it a personal policy not to get into political tug of war issues on Wikipedia.

However crummy the IDF article is made, it won't bring a single dead kid back to life.

No matter how shiny it is, it won't get the kidnapped soldiers released.

If you think it makes a difference to insert derogatory comments into informative parts of a Wikipedia article, I'll leave you to it. --Dweller 14:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Burgas, your edit is POV because it uses POV terms such as 'ridiculous' and 'innocent civilians'; and because it is based on misleading facts (Ironically, the proportion of civilian victims of Hizbollah is much lower (around one third).) - not true, the injured are also victims (casualties), so there are hundreds of Israeli casualties and less than 100 of those are soldiers; and because you use irrelevant facts to back up your statement (considering the number of civilians in Lebanon and Palestine which have been killed by the IDF.) - does the amount of civilians in Nazi Germany killed by the Soviets, British and Americans mean that none of those armies had a code of conduct?

If you would like to make an informative NPOV contribution to the article, you are welcome to do so. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your conduct on the 2006 Israeli-Hezzbollah conflict

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! HawkerTyphoon 22:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV tag on Civilian attacks

Hi, is it possible you can support the removal of the tag on the talk page to reach a consensus on the direction of the article? I favour it being a record of attacks on civilian areas, not civilians as it would become an essay on the morality of IDF/Hezbollah which would make it a quagmire. I have been adding details as the situation unfolds and more reports are added. 82.29.227.171 23:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I dont believe there was a discussion about it originally but there was issue raised under Organization of Article section on talk. I dont know who originally made it disputed. Thanks for taking it to talk :) 82.29.227.171 00:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Care to comment?

There is a discussion on Roles of non-combatant State and non-State actors in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict talkpage about the inclusion of detail for Israel. I am of the view that Israel should be included but the detail is being continually removed by User:Tewfik.

Tewfik's argument is what he considers the illegality of Hezbollah under UN 1559. How this has a bearing on a balanced representation of aid to the combatants is never made clear. Tewfik has not removed recent requests of arms sales to Israel such as jet fuel and GBU-28's but removed the history of such arms shipments. I believe he is pushing the POV that aid to Israel is only in response to the current crisis or the illegality of Hezbollah under 1559. US aid to Israel is in fact a long standing agreement responsible for the size and makeup of the IDF. Without the aid they would not have a military capable of engaging in conflict. This is a question of balance in the article and if you can take a look and support my position (was working under 82.29.227.171) that would be great. RandomGalen 16:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Bokpasa

Hi Burgas. Can you have a look at this user contributions to all articles about the history of Morocco? He's been trying to push his POV stance arguing with no source or reference at all that Morocco has only become Morocco (a country) in 1667. I've been dealing w/ that since a long time now and i've been described as a racist and Hitler today. All that was mixed with some nonsense. I know he's into more POV in the Spanish version of wikipedia but this guy is disturbing these articles here and i'm feeling so tired of this. -- Szvest 16:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he considers them as not being Moroccan. I've got no problem w/ that but my problem is that he never brings any reference or source. -- Szvest 18:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Castilla, ¿nación?

Hola Burgas00,

Soy de la Wiki en español y también contribuyo en la de catalán. Quisiera comentarte (o más bien preguntarte) algo sobre el artículo de Castilla. En la versión francesa y ésta, inglesa, se escribe que es un reino histórico de la península ibérica. En la versión española, que es una región histórica. Y, en la de catalán, que es una nación histórica y que antiguamente era un reino. ¿Es correcto poner que es una nación histórica? (ya que región y nación no son para nada sinónimos). Quizás no sea una buena pregunta, pero es por quitarme esa duda. Saludos,

Tyks 14:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:El Mundo (Spain)

Un administrador borró tu libelo contra Pedro J. Ramírez, Burgas00...pero olvidó borrar mi respuesta. Para no sobrecargar de trabajo al señor administrador, "borré" yo mismo mi respuesta y otro libelo tuyo.

Te invito a que lo compruebes en el historial, y te invito a que borres tú mismo toda referencia a aquellas desafortunadas palabras.

¿Estas de acuerdo?. Un saludo. Randroide 09:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Cerebral Warrior

Please do not edit the user pages of other contributors without their approval or consent, as you did with User:Cerebral Warrior. It may be seen as vandalism. If you feel that the edit I reverted should not have been reverted, please contact me. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. These are statements of opinion that aren't presented in a particularly offensive way -- in fact, they appear to be userboxes used by several people. If you don't like them being on his page, then talk to him about it first. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop targeting one or more user's pages or talk pages for abuse or insults, unwarranted doctoring or blanking, as you did with User:Cerebral Warrior. It can be seen as vandalism and may get you blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you feel that the edit I reverted should not have been reverted, please contact me. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The man should get an award for deleting the hate messages on Cerebrals WP page, not an admonition. After all, this is a not for profit educational foundation. Take Care! Will314159 17:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I will block you for violating 3RR if you continue. Edit warring is bad, as is editing someone else's page - stop it. This is not bald vandalism, so if you want it removed, stop doing it yourself, bring it up with other people on the admin noticeboard (WP:ANI). --Golbez 19:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem with userboxes is that they appear "official". Cerebral's boxes are his own: if you click "edit" you'll see they've been hand-made, and a quick google shows that this is the only page on the internet that has these boxes. yandman 13:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AN User:Cerebral Warrior

Hello a notice been submitted in the Administrators Noticeboard concerning the behavior of user User:Cerebral Warrior as I lack direct involvement in the affair the involvement of a user that has been involved in the incident would be valued. Thank youFreepsbane 21:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please comment (the Cerebral Warrior issue)

User_talk:Cerebral_Warrior#A_Proposal_by_crazyeddie crazyeddie 15:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked for 24 hours

You have been blocked for 24 hours, for moving Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident to Beit Hanoun November 2006 massacre. I warned everyone not to do so on the talk page. This is what happens when you engage in movewarring. You're welcome to contribute constructively when the block expires. Aecis ^{Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984.} 18:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

[edit] Beit Hanoun

i figured as i proposed it, its obvious i support it, & also given my comments. but more importantly it isn't decided on the vote, it's the reasons we give that are important. & as i understand it, it will be left for a few "a few days" then decided on. we will have to wait. fingers crossed. ben  ⇒ bsnowball  10:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Gibraltarians

Take it to deletion review. Reposting it over and over again isn't the answer. --Woohookitty^(meow) 01:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend posting it to your userspace instead and then referencing that on DR. Just put it at User:Burgas00/Spanish Gibraltarians That's what I'd recommend. Actually I'll even do it for ya. :) --Woohookitty^(meow) 04:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Here ya go. Our rules on reposting deleted content don't really pertain to the userspace. --Woohookitty^(meow) 04:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Burgas. What Woohookitty is saying above is the right thing to do for now. Keep the article at your userspace for now. Enhance it and remove POV's if they exist and add some few refs. The deletion review would be the next step if needed. What doesn't look fine is the duration of the discussion. It was closed after 5 votes and after only 5 days! That would be a good argument in the deletion review.

Anyway, i believe that after the article is freed from POV (in case there are), we can recreate it again under the new title w/o needing to go for a deletion review. At the same time, and in parallel, we'd post a note at the Admin noticeboard to inform them about the action. If that fails, than we can refer to the deletion review as a last resort. You arguments for the restoration would be based on the duration of the vote, the nature of the votes (most voters talked about POV -which not a valid reason to delete an article), the nomination was based on that "there exists articles on Gibraltar and Demographics of Gibraltar" is not convincing at all. Feel free to approach me. Good luck. Szvest → ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 10:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Burgas. Forget about the deletion review for now. Take the case to the WP:ANI as you are the creator and the one who moved the article to the new title. Summerize and explain your points in a few simple lines and i will comment there as well. -- Szvest → ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 17:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The sole purpose of this article is to cause offense, it has been voted on and deleted, in the event that any administrators want to see it they are capable of doing so. Please move on. --Gibnews 18:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comment in Talk:Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident

While there's worse incivilty than yours, your statement "The reason is that there are more persistent hard-core pro-israelis on wikipedia (like User:Amoruso for example) than hardcore pro-palestinians." isn't helpful. I'd criticise the anon IP's response, but it seems (s)he is well aware of my opinion towards him/her. Andjam 11:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maltese people

I am very offended by your comment in regards to the Maltese people on the Spanish people talk page. Can you please explain why the Maltese are Arabs? We were conquered by the Arabs for 200 years, sure, but the Spanish were conquered for 800, so how exactly are you Latins while the Maltese are Arabs? Our culture, except for the language (which is very heavily romanticized), is Latin. Marcus1234 18:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, no problem, I wasn't that pissed off. Personally, I think the principle feature of an ethnicity is genetics - a Spanish person born in Malta and living in Malta all his life will never become a Maltese person in my opinion. Personally, when I think "ethnicity" I think "race", and racially, the Maltese are undoubtedly European. Anyway, your response was very interesting, I had no idea that Moroccans, Algerians, and Lebanese didn't consider themselves Arabs! What do they consider themselves to be then? I'll look into this. Cheers. Marcus1234 06:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afd

Hola Burgas. Mejor presentas el caso al noticeboard/incidents. -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 18:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Personalmente no lo veo normal y por eso te sugiero que el caso pase por el noticeboard. -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 18:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Se me ha olvidado como se hacia... No lo podrias poner tu, please?? Es que como yo cree la pagina tengo poca credibilidad. Tu siendo un administrator y tal...;-) --Burgas00 18:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No hay problemas pero lo haria mañana como tengo que ir offline dentro de poco. -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 18:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ya está allí. -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 16:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ongoing

Onwards, recent contributions to the Gibraltar pages are not very productive, thanks for your assistance in reverting - I may have upset the defenders of certain terrorists who were shown a traditional Gibraltar welcome and returned safely crated. I will deal with local IP's if they persist. --Gibnews

Its rather strange, most of the changes look like the infamous 'banned user' although not the one about this being a Spanish state :) unless he has really lost the plot.

Thanks for your help. --Gibnews

[edit] Fellah mengu

Hi Burgas00, I saw you deleted a sentence about the fellah mengu hypothesis in the flamenco article. In fact, I was thinking of deleting the whole paragraph about etimology: there are many theories, all disputed, and none of them useful to understand flamenco. I'm just curious, as you seem to know about Arabic language. Have you ever seen this word in an Arabic text? I remember that an Arab user in a flamenco forum made fun of this "mengu" thing, and I've read it in other places that it was just a fancy of B. Infante, but I haven't found the sources. GemmaMS 21:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Gracias por tu respuesta. Bueno, la verdad es que es una sorpresa: en el mundillo del flamenco hay mucho cachondeíto con el tema del "mengu". Pero bueno, ya no debería sorprenderme de nada. La verdad es que las etimologías de flamenco proliferan como setas. A Blas Infante evidentemente le interesaba resaltar el origen morisco del flamenco, mientras que a otros les ha interesado más llevar la teoría de los orígenes a los visigodos, a los gitanos, a los judíos... qué se yo. Mucho barrer para casa :-D. (Yo creo, por cierto, que el flamenco no tiene origen, sino historia.) Sobre esto de la etimología de flamenco creo que acabaré por crear un esbozo de un artículo, por si alquien quiere desarrollarlo y lo sacaré del artículo de flamenco dejando alguna frase o un link, porque distrae la atención de otros temas, que seguro que interesan más a quien quiera iniciarse en el tema. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GemmaMS (talk • contribs) 12:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] List of massacres commited by Israeli forces

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article List of massacres commited by Israeli forces, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:List of massacres commited by Israeli forces. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. -- Steve Hart 23:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spanish Gibraltarians (2nd nomination)

Regarding your comment "Users Ruiz, Timbellina and Goey look very dodgy to me. User check is called for...", very well, please go ahead and do so. However, please refrain from unproven accusations on the AfD. I've supported the existance of this article three times now but that does not in any way mean that the constant bickering between you and User:Gibnews has impressed me in any way, nor would I imagine it would impress the closing admin. You have made your argument on that AfD and are of course free to respond to any reasoned arguments there with a reasoned counter-argument, but please, as always, avoid personal attacks -Markeer 02:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nosotros parecemos estar de acuerdo pero haber adquirido un terrorista, su turno para revertir :) --Gibnews

[edit] Referencing system for Spanish Gibraltarians

I have no problem with you altering the content within the article, it is just when you revert, then you are vandalising the referencing system. If you want ot add new information go ahead but you are going to have to edit it in without deleting the referencing system Vintagekits 18:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Burgass - I when I fixed the reference set up you made a revert (timed and dated 23:43, 19 December 2006) to take out Gibnews's vandalism - by doing this you deleted out the referencing system. I am happy for you to edit the article and I will support you in your views but you must edit in your comments from when the referencing system was fixed. Let me know if you have a problem but dont not help Gibnews by reverting it Vintagekits 19:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

The mediation has started, please join at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-08 Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident --Striver - talk 10:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chilean edits

Hello, Burgas00, since you have made several edits to articles about Chile, you may be interested in looking at the Wikipedia:Chile-related regional notice board to pick up on other topics that need attention, or to express needs which you perceive pertaining to Chile. JAXHERE | ^Talk 01:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not Spanish?

Would I be right in guessing that you're Bulgarian? :-) -- ChrisO 18:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not vandalism

Thanks for removing your vandalism comment. I was adding the following to Talk Gibraltar but as you removed your comment I will bring it here. "It clearly isnt vandalism and given that this is obvious please follow WP:NPA. Any good faith edit cannot be described as vandalism and attacking another user will not help resolve the dispute but will make it harder for all of us to contribute here," SqueakBox 18:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 11-M

I reverted your edit Burgas00 [21], because there´s not a single reference to Certain hard-line sectors in the source. If you find a source saying that, you can reintroduce the line. Cheers. Randroide 19:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration request - Madrid train bombings

This message is to let you know that I have posted a request for arbitration on the dispute concerning this page. [[22]]. Southofwatford 20:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Gibraltar

I think the biggest problem is not mad users, who are fairly easy to contain, but well meaning outsiders who do not understand the dynamics of the Gibraltar-Spain love hate relationship.

In the bad old days, Spain used to jam GBC television. The Governor of the day decided enough was enough and said, OK how BIG a transmitter do we need to retailiate, so they got one, stuck up a large antenna on the top of the rock and blasted TVE off the air all down the coast until a compromise was reached and nobody interfered with anyone.

Its more complicated these days because then there was TVE and GBC now there are at least three stations in La Linea and last time there were over 30 analogue stations receivable off air, however any interference is accidental rather than Government sponsored. The move to TDT should help, with analogue switch off in 2010.

I think by asking Wikipedia Spain nicely we could have reached a compromise, after all they have a lot of work to do and don't need a war. Asterion produced a flagless template and I had no problem with that on the History of Gibraltar page and prior to 1704 Gibraltar was Spanish. Gibraltar today is not Spanish, and if its the intention of the project to include everywhere with any Spanish connection, most of the world has been touched by both Spain and the UK so some moderation is needed.

Another issue is that the templates are too big and obtrusive and by the time there are three of four its unwieldy.

Currently there is insufficient demand for a Wikiproject Gibraltar and just because Spain has one is not a good reason for us to have one. We have lots of football teams here, which is why we want to join UEFA, not because its there and we feel we need to make up the numbers or for political reasons.

I also took the template off the talk spain page as that is just incitement, and quite inappropriate. Apart from wanting good neigbourly relations, Spain is not Gibraltar - and if there is a case for a WPG template every other country in the EU of which I have lost count should be on both pages, which would totally screw them.

A much better method of linking pages is categories, its concise and works with wikipedia. Also its better to discuss things and to co-operate with people, rather than to unilaterally do things and with respect to ChrisO having started the project he has not created any pages about Gibraltar so far and as he does not live here and has a lot of other interestes its unlikely he will do more than what he presently does, which is reverting user:Gibraltarian griping about the numbers if Spaniards who left in 1704 and splashing templates around existing pages.

Incidentally there was a lecture by the Gibraltar museum which mentioned that most of the garrison lived in the campo anyway and only came to Gib when needed. If you are interested in it - its mainly about fortifications - I can get you a copy on DVD

Anyway ... end of rant, enough of that !

BTW nothing to do with Gibraltar, but knowing we agree on some issues take a look at this and make a contribution as you see fit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Astrotrain

--Gibnews 00:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Gibnews, why are you engaging in canvassing?--Vintagekits 13:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A(u)st(u)rian

Thanks! Austria is so often pulled out as an example on the question of nation state vs. ethnicity that I misread. - Jmabel | Talk 18:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Veritas

OK, thanks for telling me. I already did. Veritas et Severitas 17:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You removed sourced content

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent contribution removed content from an article. Please be more careful when editing articles and do not remove content from Wikipedia without a good reason, which should be specified in the edit summary. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Thank you. [23]

Randroide 11:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You introduced POV

[24]

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you to adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy for editors. Thank you.

Randroide 11:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. [25] Randroide 12:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. [26] Randroide 14:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. [27]

Next thing to do is listing you in Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, Burgas00, with your blankings at 2004 Madrid train bombings for good measure.

I suggest you to STOP doing this. Add sourced info about the (alleged) mischiefs by "El Mundo" in the "El Mundo" article, but stop adding your POV. Randroide 08:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your comments about Hispanic

I do not agree. Do not erase verifiable information because of your subjective point of view, please. Veritas et Severitas 00:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish Gibraltarians

I agree with you on that, its not a big issue locally, although given that the Jews have larger families than the Catholics we might end up applying for joint sovereignty with Israel - the news stories indicate that we are in range of their airforce to deliver a kosher nuke :)

--Gibnews 09:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your message

It is OK with me. I am not going to make a big issue of it, these things get even embarrassing. Still, read it well, the article says what it says. Continental refers to other continents clearly, that is why it is coherent with "having the most Ancient European ancestry". This is already known about the Basques very well, what happens is that that issue has been exaggerated and in fact much of the same can be applied to the rest of the Iberians (Oppenheimer states that clearly in his book, for example). It is also clear in the graphs, look well. I guess all this information is just unexpected to a lot of people who continue to stick to out-dated 19th century pseudo-scientific anthropology that was often more racialist propaganda than anything else, and some try to get around it as much as possible. In fact it is being kind of upsetting among Nordicists, because they would like all this genetic story to be different and because they are not at the center of "Genetic Europeanness". It is a shame that those people turned long ago all these issues into racialist propaganda, so that now it cannot be expressed openly without some embarrassment. In any case, get used to it. This has already been suggested since the 90s and more and more information is coming out and will be coming out, since more and more geneticists are being interested in the Iberian Peninsula, and as it happens, when Iberians are compared globally to other populations, results are again and again pointing in the same direction. Veritas et Severitas 23:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV edit

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy on attribution and verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.[28]

Sorry, but the source does not support your edit.

Randroide 13:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV edit

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you to adhere to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy for editors. Thank you.[29]

Police surveillance and informants part moved to new section on Controversies page

This is the Webster´s Thesaurus definition of "Controversy":

n (pl controversies) a discussion of contrary opinions;dispute, argument

No source in the article disputes, arguments of presents contrary opinions to:

• Police surveillance on alleged perpetrators before the attacks.
• Police informants among alleged perpetrators.

...therefore the contents you moved are NOT controversial, therefore do not belong in controversies.

Thank you for your understanding.

Randroide 13:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

There are no "conspiracy theories" in the article. I do not know what you are talking about. Randroide 13:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I removed two lines added by you

Sorry, but the source does not support those lines [30]. I suggest you to find a proper source if you want to add the lines again. Randroide 07:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 11-M

Hi Burgas00, perhaps we would like to take a look at 11-M article&talk page. --Igor21 17:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yes, I reported you

Here you have the link: WP:ANI#User_vandalizing_the_Hispanic_article

I wrote this:

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Hi,

I was tired of trying to tell it to you with good words in the edit summaries and in the Hispanic article's talk page to, please, stop removing entire sections.

Just check the links of your edits, and reflect if that's the right behaviour for a normal user, or it is the kind of things that a vandal does.

I do not know if you do not have the capacity to write articles yourself, or what's the problem. Maybe you cannot write things for yourself so from your impotence, seeing that you could not contribute to the article but you neither agreed with what was written there, you massively erased entire sections. Honestly, I don't know. But that's not the way. And being tired of reverting your edits, I had to report you. But you can't say I didn't ask you, please, to stop it, before I reported you. Onofre Bouvila 19:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Gibnews

I'm getting increasingly frustrated with Gibnews' and his behaviour on the Gibraltar article. I am considering a request for comment on him. Do you think that would be justified? ----

[edit] Your comment on the Gibraltar talk page...

...I thought it was very rude, I have to say, and not in accordance with WP's policies of assuming good faith. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 23:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Saw your apology - thankyou. But you're right, I shouldn't get worked up. It's just that I'm already a bit tired of Gibnews taking issue with almost all of my edits, and the latest in a long line of snipes and baits (his "rvv" edit tag) pushed me over the edge this morning - I must have got out of bed the wrong side. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick ^t 00:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your vandalism of Gibraltar page and attack of Brit wikipedians

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. SqueakBox 16:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeez it was a joke... No sense of humour.I hope it would be Gibnews who picked it up.

What??? When have I vandalised an article? What you talking about? Give me proof.--Burgas00 18:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a good idea, and the fact that you say you were using it to bait GibNews makes it even worse, SqueakBox 17:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. That's a clear violation of WP:POINT as well as just plain vandalism. -- ChrisO 18:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well ok im sorry but considering I have contributed alot to this article and always in a positive way, I think you guys take yourselves way to seriously.--Burgas00 18:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Are you serious? I thought your account had been hijacked or something, I don't know you too well but I would not have expected that from you, even in jest. Chris Buttigieg^talk 19:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Although I have had my differences with Burgas00, that edit is sufficiently out of character to consider that his account has been hijacked or that he was 'tired and emotional'.

As his PC is used by others, perhaps the cookie login is the culprit, if so time to change the password and exercise more caution. Well done the watchers in picking up the change. --Gibnews 19:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually i am tired and emotional... havent slept in 36 hours. Gibnews knows me quite well by now ;-). Won't breach my fiduciary duty towards the project again, even in jest! I still think you guys are making a big deal out of it considering my edit was reverted within the minute, as I knew it would. In any case the whole Gibraltar/Spain dispute is seen as a bit of a joke, at least on the Spanish side of the border. --Burgas00 21:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well lets hope that is a step on the path towards acceptance that Gibraltar will never be a part of Spain. Just come back when your block is over and I certainly wont hold it against you, nor I hope will anyone else, SqueakBox 21:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Jenin

If you want to do some good in this article, have a look at http://gush-shalom.org/archives/kurdi_eng.html - published in Yediot Aharonot May 31, 2002. For some reason, I cannot persuade any of the pro-Israel crowd to "write for the enemy", I've so far asked 3 of them. Suitable clips or paraphrase sentences that belong in the article include these: ".... Many people were inside houses we started to demolish. ... I am sure people died inside these houses." PalestineRemembered 17:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Friendly notice

A 3rr report has been opened on you at [31] I'm very sorry. I tried to resolve this before it came to this point. Kyaa the Catlord 22:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

[edit] Editing an AfD-nominated article

Please don't make edits to an article under nomination for deletion, particularly edits which obviously advance a specific point of view. I'm referring to your recent edits to List of terrorist attacks committed during the Second Intifada. It's hard to assume good faith when you're arguing in the AfD and simultaneously making controversial edits to the article. There is no deadline. Let the AfD run its course; if the article is kept, then there will be plenty of time to hash out the content issues. In the meantime, don't edit the article further until the AfD is closed. If you do, you may be blocked until the AfD closes. MastCell ^Talk 22:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No, really. Don't do it. Let the AfD run to completion, then argue about the criteria. Mark Chovain 00:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok I won't. I guess I see your point.--Burgas00 12:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

|== Blocked ==

You've continued to edit the article List of attacks committed during the Second Intifada while its AfD is in progress, despite the above caution. Therefore, I've blocked you from editing until the AfD closes. I'll unblock you when the AfD is closed by an admin; if the AfD has closed and you're still blocked, you can post the {{unblock}} template. MastCell ^Talk 17:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Give me time to write the reason!

This was not "simply moving the article back to its original name." It's exactly the kind of controversial edit you were asked to refrain from while the AfD is in progress. Hence the block. Once you've sat out the rest of the AfD, I'll unblock you. MastCell ^Talk 22:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): As the AfD is closed, you've been unblocked. Request handled by: MastCell Talk 16:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blind reversions

Please don't revert blindly, as you did on Pallywood. The edits you wiped out were mostly mine, not Armon's; and for the record, I agree with his changes. -- ChrisO 19:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] suspicious behavior

i'm noting to you that recent changes at battle of jenin, in which you've participated in an edit war to edit information out^1st2nd3rd4th and then an anon. IP demands to insert the number "three" instead of "series" (or similar) based on the "only source" for the information (only source left after the information blanketing). and then when the information is restored,^[32] once again you take it out^1st2nd and another anon. IP tries to insert "three" into the lead based on "what the source says".^[33]

i'm not accusing you directly, however, i'm noting to you that if such suspicious behavior continues, then i will be forced to reassess how i handle this issue. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 22:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep that guy aint me... I don't quite understand what you are (not) accusing me of--Burgas00 23:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

i think you understand the situation perfectly well. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 23:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Jaakobou I'm not using sock puppets. Just quit it, please. --Burgas00 23:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

that's all very well, but the edit war (and hopefully suspicious behavior also) should stop and you should start taking the talk page more seriously. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 00:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "suspicious behaviour". I hope it is not you who has instigated this block...--Burgas00 11:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

to repeat my explanation: more than once, an IP tries to insert "three" into the lead based on "what the source says". after other sources have been edit warred out. i hope you now understand why this issue constitutes suspicious editing. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 13:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked for Disruptive editing on Battle of Jenin

I have blocked you and Armon for editwarring on this article. You guys know that editwarring like this is not a good thing. Editwarring is disruptive. When your block expires I hope that both of you can discuss things in a civil manner on the talk page. Best of luck. —— Eagle101^{Need help?} 02:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): See below Request handled by: Haemo 19:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed with the above. Eagle101's blocking of Armon and Burgas00 in this case does not make sense and strikes me as being punitive and blocks are not meant to be punishment. Kyaa the Catlord 09:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Eagle101 was somehow right but since both you and Armon agreed to cool it down then the block is being lifted now Request handled by: FayssalF - Wiki me up® 11:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Try it now and tell me if it is fixed. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 12:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

No.. strange still not working... --Burgas00 12:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

There was no autoblock so i'll try to block you for 1 second to see if it is going to work this time. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 12:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I am still blocked by Eagle101... I cannot edit.--Burgas00 18:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Y	Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): I think I found it -- try it now Request handled by: Haemo 19:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! It worked.--Burgas00 19:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help. --Haemo 19:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You may have missed this

Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_September_21#Pallywood_.28closed.29. I would suggest you undo the move. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 18:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Self-revert will be the best course of option. I invite you to discuss in that article's talk page after you self-revert. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Murder of Tali Hatuel

Burgas00, you have deleted the reference to Tali Hatuel's occupation and substituted it by reference to her place of residence. Please justify why her profession is irrelevant i.e. if you wanted to emphasize her place of residence why it should come instead of her occupation. In addition, please clarify whether you subscribe to the notion that her place of residence would justify an attack on her family. Thank you. DBWikis (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Just undo his changes. As you can see around this talk page he is just a poor sad muslim troll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.22.79.44 (talk) 04:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You poor harki, why don't you get a life?

I mean, quit trolling around the wiki and go burning cars and libraries like the rest of your fanatycal breed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.22.79.44 (talk) 04:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish people

Hello Burgas. I'm calling for a discussion on the semi-protection of Spanish people due to the constant attack by anon IP pov pushers. Do you want to come to the talk page and say your mind? Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 04:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Spanish people is semi-protected - done by User:Nlu. Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)