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[edit] Original Burzum album reissued

Can anyone find any information on a Burzum reissue? I can only find the Misanthropy reissue with the Aske EP in 1995. Every other source states that it is "rare" because the album had never been re-released. -- Death666 18:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Information on the page

can someone please have actual information about the burzum music, rather than just talking about varg's beliefs and the church burnings and the murder of euronymous? fair enough, that stuff needs to be mentioned, but this article is about "BURZUM", therefore, it should be about the album releases, and the musical style of the band. not JUST the history of varg. i personally think that all the information on varg should be on VARG's page, and leave the music information on burzum and add some more! Okram 0915 March 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 04:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Live section

I removed the 'Live' from the "Live and Compilations" section as Burzum never performed live and none of the listed releases (to my knowledge) claim to have any live recordings.

-Actually there are several bootlegs that claim to have live tracks. the onlty one im familiar with simply had tracks from the pre-s/t album demo's

[edit] Bootlegs

Are bootlegs needed?

I'd say, not really, as they aren't part of the official discography. Still, useful to know. Darksteel 12:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Burzum not a band?

Why is burzum not a band? Could someone please put a little bit more information in there. Why is burzum not a band? -Soyweiser

Not really sure what you mean. Varg Vikerness wrote all the music and played all the instruments so maybe "band" isn't the write word. Jackliddle 23:24, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"Project" Sanctum 02:14, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
On the first EP he used Samoth and had plans to orignise a full band for live acts. After he scraped this idea, it became a one-man project.--Etakistan 05:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
One-man projects are bands. Darksteel 12:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neo Nazi Music

Should this really be in the Neo-Nazi category? The music never really had a specific Nazi message. Isolationist maybe but Neo-Nazi? Jackliddle 23:24, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the music is objectively Neo-Nazi. --Rapunzel 08:04, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • I edited that category out, but the server rollback removed my message on this Discussion. What I said was: that information is wrong, and thus must not stay in the article. Burzum is black metal, true. But the genre is by no way related to nazism. --Sn0wflake 23:40, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Neo-nazi is an american phenomenom, Varg is a nationalist socialist but he is not a neo-nazi. Some don't really appreciate the difference between the two, but I feel it is very relevant. Neo-nazis are americans who are very mistaken about what aryan means. National socialists like Varg, while still racist, differ significantly from the american breed of neo-nazis as national socialists do understand what aryan means. The two groups don't intermingle either. Varg's music is infused with his national socialist ideals so I do believe it should be mentioned regardless of whether or not people want to agree with this poltical views. Sanctum 02:13, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
with all due respect, what makes you think that *neo-nazism* is an all american issue? the term is used for the new generation of national socialists, for people who think the old nazis did. I am German and I know what I'm talking about - it's not like we don't have any neo-nazis here. and if you look at the labels and titles of one or two of the tributes, you must admit that at least the obvious audience seems to be fascist... --Jinx138 20:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
He's not socialist. Oh lookie: http://burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story07.shtml --Etakistan 05:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Ehhh, national socialism is the same thing as nazism, the latter is just a German shortening of the former. 惑乱 分からん 11:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I actually have been writing papers about Varg's politics in my Radical Right class. Varg is a pretty good candidate for a prototypical member of the Radical Right because the Radical Right isn't an exact and delineated category. For example, although Varg used to be into neo-nazism and used to believe in its tenets, he now claims to have abandoned it and seems to have moved on to be wholly devoted to a growing part of the Radical Right that is Odinist. Now, this faction of the Radical Right is clearly racist, sexist, and certainly connected to various parts of the extremist Radical Right. However, this certainly doesn't make Varg a neo-nazi, at least not anymore. Although he used to believe in it, and is clearly still Radical Right, he is a part of a new category within racist groups that is exploiting a sort of anti-globalization, communalism, environmentalist, racist paganism. If people here want to include Varg as a part of neo-nazi music for his influence on National Socialist Black Metal and his previous belief in neo-nazism, by all means include him because he was a part of it and a big influence on that group getting media attention. Yet, just be sure that you don't confuse his older views with his newer one's. Yeah, well, I guess absurdly ranting about Varg on wikipedia is what I get for taking this class. Anyway, if you want to analyze his views and get a better understanding of really crazy dangerous assholes in Europe, I suggest reading through the archives at [[1]], but beware, it can be equally scary and funny for its poor account of history and utter seriousness. --Brizimm 04:25, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
As I posted on the NSBM discussion, Varg is odalist and interpretents that in a racistical way, mind you, there is no link between odalism and racism, except what the page odal shows, some nazi's had the rune on their uniforms. It is not confirmed however. As Varg says he is not a socialist, not even on a national manner thus he is not a (neo)nazi. As i said before, there has to be a line drawn between racism and nazism.
This is what he says in A Burzum Story: The Nazi Ghost
I have also experienced that most of the people supporting me or what I stand for are so-called "nazis" - while almost everybody else has just condemned me and then boycotted me and everything I have done. What makes me different from the "nazis" are basically three things; unlike them I am not socialistic (not even on a national level), I am not materialistic and I believe in (the ancient Scandinavian!) democracy.
He says most of his audience consists of neonazi's - but he states he is not one himself ^, He is not socialist on a national level (Don't forget Hitler's political party was called "NSDAP - National Socialistic DAP", which basically means he is not National Socialist, which is basically what nazi's are. And i also think there have to be none of his political ideas, maybe a mentioning towards it, because this page is about his music, which was made to "boycot" the Death Metal scene at the time, and later to boycot metal itself. I do not believe the Keyboard albums are anyway related to his racistic ideas because in that time, his ideas were those that i mentioned above. Political ideas should be moved to Varg Vikernes' page, because his music is not political in any way. Darksteel 12:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The nazis (National "Socialists") were not, in truth, socialists but conservative state capitalists. It is flawed to accept the party's misappropriation of the humanist political philosophy as gospel. Ideals central to socialist thought were not only neglected but in direct contrast to nazi objectives. Vikernes isn't the brightest crayon in the box and I don't suspect he has ever read or understood Marx. His attempt to argue that an opposition to socialism means one cannot be nazi-sympathetic demonstrates his "intelligence".

[edit] 1987 or 1991?

The intro says Burzum was formed in 1987, while the body says it was formed in 1991 after a series of other bands. --Delirium 06:45, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I believe that was the time when he was actually active with the band, there were no Burzum releases until 1991 even though it might have begun in 1987. --aenimated

The website Burzum Official website says copyright Varg Vikernes and Burzum 1991 - 2006. That means the band officially started in 1991. Darksteel 12:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The band was formed in 1987 [2], the first release wasn't until 1991. He revived Uruk-Hai in 1991. The band was basically "on-hold" when he was with Old Funeral. -Reaper-

[edit] Murder / Arson?

Sources on this subject are almost universally questionable. However, as I understand it, Vikernes was never convicted of Arson. He is in prison for the murder of Eronymous. The Fantoft Kirk, which he photographed the ashes of for his second album "Aske", was set fire by a 16 year old female fan of the group. Vikernes certainly instigated this; in his trial for Eronymous' murder he claimed he was building an army of church arsonists, and that he couldn't be stopped. I think the most they legally have on him is "Conspiracy to commit Arson". He never actually set fire to a church.

It's debatable whether he actually set fire to any of the churches, but they never convicted him of this. -Reaper-

In the video of his sentencing, the voice over and captions say "Vikernes was found guilty of wilful murder, arson in Oslo - Skjold and Asane Churches, and for Storetveit Church's tower in Bergen." He also mentions the fact that he was convicted of arson several times in "A Burzum Story" found on www.burzum.org. I believe its under "The Lie - Propaganda" part. Temple-of-Monkeys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.246.8.126 (talk) 06:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "Kvisling"

Varg was born simply Kristian Larsson Vikernes. Kvisling was legally appended to his name later after varg took a profound liking to Vidkun Quisling, the Norwegian fascist.

No. Quisling (Qisling) means "descended from one of the kings ancestry" - He beleives he is related to the king of Norway - not that he is related to Harald V or any of his family - probably Vikernes' way of saying he is an earthly form of Wuotan.

[edit] Contradictory information

Two sentences from the article: "Varg Vikernes expects to be released from his sentence early, around August 2006, and intends to continue Burzum." — "He will not continue the band when he is released and has disavowed himself from the black metal scene entirely." Which is it? —Quirk 13:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me he just said he'd stopped the band to stop rumours about new releases coming out and had no plans to make anything new in the near future. Currently it seems he doesn't care if he continues it or not, but he has not ruled it out completely, if that makes sense. :/ --Etakistan 05:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
actually if you read the most recent addition to his series of articles A Burzum Story: The Tommorrow (or something like that), he does state that when he is relised he will be realising 1 or 2 burzum albums--Frenrir1 20:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Says he might release some books, and maybe some music album or two, yes. it is not sure though. I believe that he hasn't decided yet to do it or not. Darksteel 12:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More contradictions

I tagged this as {{contradiction}} because of the conflicting statements about Vikernes' neonazism - it'd be nice if someone could clear that up once and for all. -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 14:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

"Vikernes is not a nazi as lots of people once called him. The pagan ideals that he follows may be a bit similar to nazism but have no connection to them what ever since paganism was around long before nazism was. Varg has stated on burzum.org that he laughs at people who call him a nazi because it is simply not true."

should be reworded, and better integrated into the article, right now it sticks out like an awkward thumb, there are no sources and the sentences are poorly constructed.

As I posted on the NSBM discussion, Varg is odalist and interpretents that in a racistical way, mind you, there is no link between odalism and racism, except what the page odal shows, some nazi's had the rune on their uniforms. It is not confirmed however. As Varg says he is not a socialist, not even on a national manner thus he is not a (neo)nazi. As i said before, there has to be a line drawn between racism and nazism.

This is what he says in A Burzum Story: The Nazi Ghost

I have also experienced that most of the people supporting me or what I stand for are so-called "nazis" - while almost everybody else has just condemned me and then boycotted me and everything I have done. What makes me different from the "nazis" are basically three things; unlike them I am not socialistic (not even on a national level), I am not materialistic and I believe in (the ancient Scandinavian!) democracy.
He says most of his audience consists of neonazi's - but he states he is not one himself ^, He is not socialist on a national level (Don't forget Hitler's political party was called "NSDAP - National Socialistic DAP", which basically means he is not National Socialist, which is basically what nazi's are. And i also think there have to be none of his political ideas, maybe a mentioning towards it, because this page is about his music, which was made to "boycot" the Death Metal scene at the time, and later to boycot metal itself. I do not believe the Keyboard albums are anyway related to his racistic ideas because in that time, his ideas were those that i mentioned above. Political ideas should be moved to Varg Vikernes' page, because his music is not political in any way.

I copied this from above, to clear it once and for all indeed. Darksteel 12:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The nazis (National "Socialists") were not, in truth, socialists but conservative state capitalists. It is flawed to accept the party's misappropriation of the humanist political philosophy as gospel. Ideals central to socialist thought were not only neglected but in direct contrast to nazi objectives. Vikernes isn't the brightest crayon in the box and I don't suspect he has ever read or understood Marx. His attempt to argue that an opposition to socialism means one cannot be nazi-sympathetic demonstrates his "intelligence".

And I copied this from above because your comment "which is basically what nazi's are" is both unacademic and inaccurate.

[edit] Dauði Baldrs

What about the swastikas on the cover of this album. If Varg is not a nazi and does not follow nazi ideollogy, then why is there a guy dressed as a nazi? Is he being murdered or what? Dexter prog 22:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I will reply to myself, heh, this is not a nazi swastika but the Norse Sun cross. See more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Dexter prog 23:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emocore...?

Emocore is listed in the genre box. Is this accurate? I'm not terribly familiar with the band but this seems more than a little suspect. Unless someone confirms that Burzum is in fact an emocore band, I will assume that this label is vandalism and remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.238.170.154 (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

No, they're not. XdiabolicalX 10:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samoth

Would it be appropriate to indicate which album Samoth played bass on? Shplongl 16:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

He did bass for Aske, maybe put it on Samoth's page instead. Cannibaltom 23:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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