Talk:Burgundian Netherlands

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[edit] Merging

I have put up the merge tags, because:

• The title "Seventeen provinces" is not very descriptive.
• The two articles cover the same territories.
• The term actually extents to a larger period of time and not just 1482-1556.
• The accession of the Habsburgs in 1477/1482 did not at first change the character of the Burgundian Netherlands.
• The "Seventeen Provinces" article is a stub, largely a mere list of the provinces.
• The German WP has one article as the equivalent of these two.

Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 21:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I oppose the merge, and instead propose to rename the Burgundian Netherlands to the Burgundian times/era/epoch or similar, like the article on Dutch wikipedia. The Seventeen provinces is a term and the Burgundian Netherlands/times is a time period.There should be 2 articles. Rex 21:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Oppose with emphasis: the "Seventeen Provinces" is a name that is widely known and used for roughly the present Benelux in the Habsburgers era, and mustnot redirect to the Burgundian period (nor vice versa since there were no 17 provinces in the Burgundian era). Though Rex subjectively sees the Burgundian era as better known than the Burgundian Netherlands, the latter must remain because it too is a rather common term which refers to the Low Countries in that era in a clear way. Else one would need to write 'the Netherlands in the Burgundian era' which would be confusing as the Netherlands could then more easily be interpreted as the much smaller geographical area of the present Netherlands. "Burgundian Netherlands" provides a practical link that avoids confusion by it name alone: the Netherlands belonging to Burgundy (in France) makes any ignorant reader follow the link. Note that 'de Boergondische Nederlanden' is also used in Dutch language; one never speaks of 'de Boergondische Lage Landen' (thus no 'Burgundian Low Countries'). — SomeHuman 22 Nov 2006 23:04 (UTC)