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This is the discussion page related to work on the Wikipedia article about the defunct Burdines Department Stores of Miami, Florida, United States.

If you have suggestions or questions regarding the article, please post here, editing the appropriate section. The following are general areas of interest that are in need of contributions.

Feel free to edit the main article if you have knowledge or can obtain knowledge in these and other pertinent areas. -- ArkansasTraveler at 68.28.91.118 22:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Company Information 2 Significant Events & Traditions 3 Former Locations 4 Miscellaneous Materials 5 Page renovation complete! 6 Clean-Up Tag 7 Macy's stores WERE lacking in Florida 8 Which logo should I use? 9 Fair use rationale for Image:Burdinesmacyslogo.gif 10 carriage-trade store

[edit] Company Information

• Founding of the Company
• Innovative Practices
• Merger with Federated
• Community Impact

[edit] Significant Events & Traditions

Including sponsorship of community events & celebrations

[edit] Former Locations

• Original stores
• Acquisitions

[edit] Miscellaneous Materials

• Photographs
• Logos
• Related websites and offline references

[edit] Page renovation complete!

I added a full length history, images, more links, and the logo before the Macy's merge. As for the locations, they were basically located in most Florida malls.

While it's encouraging to see considerable development of the article on Burdines, I'm inclined to say that this or any article in Wikipedia is never immune to continuing improvement. The constantly evolving exchange of ideas and information is what makes Wikipedia so valuable. Hopefully, this is only the first of several major upgrades to this article. It keeps getting better and better! — ArkansasTraveler 14:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-Up Tag

Added tag. Numerous grammatical mistakes and stylistic problems. Factual issues. I will try to get some of these when I get a chance, but let's collaborate on this important page. Captaintruth 00:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems most mistakes have now been corrected. Is the page fine now? OtherPerson 02:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Alexzero77

[edit] Macy's stores WERE lacking in Florida

There were less than ten I believe. OtherPerson 02:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

"Lacking" implies there were none. If you want to say how many there were and provide a reference that what you says is true, that would probably be OK. If you are from Boca, you should remember that Macys have been pretty widespread across south florida for 10-15 years. Captaintruth 19:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but there were not as many as other department stores had. Keep in mind, Macy's isn't like Saks of Neiman Marcus. They're everywhere in other states. OtherPerson 02:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Fine. So explain that in the article(hopefully more elegantly). Don't use the ambiguous "lacking". Captaintruth 13:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you? You do a WAY better job at writing than me. :D OtherPerson 10:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't appreciate your tone. Please see the numerous original articles I have contributed regarding south florida (mainly political figures) and my numerous quality edits. Frankly, I don't see the need for any mention of the lack of macy's stores in Florida before the merger, and that is why I have not added this language. I do recognize, however, that this is a collaborative process and am willing to compromise by not reverting some less ambiguous reference to this supposed dearth of pre-merger macy's stores. Captaintruth 19:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not too keen on the tone, either. There are ways of communicating information you wish to share without suggesting bias or opinion in one direction or another. It's true: there were relatively few Macy's stores in relation to the number of the homegrown Burdines chain. Stating that the number of Macy's stores was "lacking" indicates — however slightly — the wish for more locations was/is present. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this prospect itself. But like anything else without a source cited, I do disagree with inclusion of statements suggesting popular opinion without information to confirm it. I realize this probably comes across as nitpicking. The thing is, though, I hope others on Wikipedia would be willing to apply the same scrutiny to something I've written so that it could be as accurate and complete as possible. — ArkansasTraveler 14:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which logo should I use?

Should I keep the current one up (in the info box), or change it to the one shown below?

03:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC) OtherPerson

• Keep the current one Caldorwards4 12:06, April 5, 2006
• Keep the current primary logo where it is, but it might be worth putting this logo in a position farther down the page with a note on the time period in which it was used. See the page on AT&T for an example. — ArkansasTraveler 18:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the current one, maybe add 2nd per ArkansasTraveler . Captaintruth 21:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Meh, I won't use it since Burdines never really had a default logo. 01:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC) OtherPerson

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Burdinesmacyslogo.gif

Image:Burdinesmacyslogo.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] carriage-trade store

This sentence in the opening paragraph is meaningless to the average reader (and missing a comma): "Historically Burdines was known as the carriage-trade store in Florida". I'm tempted to remove it but I don't know if its trying to convey something useful. Is it trying to say that the chain was previously named "The Carriage-Trade Store" or is it trying to indicate that the chain was a "carriage trade store" (I could find few references to "carriage trade stores" in Google). Eli lilly (talk) 13:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Burdines catered to a wealthier clientele than Sears or J.C. Penney. The phrase "carriage trade" is fairly commonly used to describe a store catering to the well-off. Horologium t-c 01:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)