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[edit] Eno Pic

Why'd you remove the eno pic? I scanned it mysel from the album sleeve and seen pictures like this before on wikipedia go unremoved. Why is it any different for this one?  :/ Andrzejbanas 20:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sharpie

Do you really feel that it is valuable to note that Sharpies are available in Fine, Extra Fine, Ultra Fine, Super, Twin, Super Twin, Chisel, Metallic, Grip, Industrial, and Professional tips, and in Yellow, Black, Blue, Green, Orange, Red, Brown, Purple, Turquoise, Lime, Aqua, Berry, Olive, Marigold, Navy, Plum, Burgundy, and Silver ink? This strikes me as verging on silly. I won't delete valid information, but I have to ask why you thought it was worthwhile to include it. Dpbsmith 23:42, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for vastly improving the Sharpie article and the image. I took the Sharpie photo but forgot to add the GFDL notice. I modified Image:Sharpie.png accordingly. - Ivan 22:38, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Image:JapaneseMidgetSubmarineWreck.jpg

Where did you get the image from? I'm asking because I'm trying to work out what type it is.Geni 03:30, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Bobby Timmons

Al, I added some info about Timmons' death. He was born today... same day as me! --Vince251 08:39, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use screen shots

I see you've added the famous "moon behind skyscraper" image to Koyaanisqatsi. It's very nice, but you probably should check out Wikipedia:Fair use, which describes the steps you need to go through to use fair use images in Wikipedia. One of those is establishing a rationale for the use, which I didn't see at Image:Koyaanisqatsi Moon Frame.jpg. Thanks in advance! -- hike395 02:11, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't know much about copyright, so I can't help you with specifics, I'm afraid. The information at Image description page#Fair use rationale has a link to a Purdue article about how to create rationales for fair use. Hope this helps. -- hike395 05:29, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy tags on songs

Please do not put speedy delete tags on short articles about songs by famous bands. Take them to votes for deletion if you wish. Kappa

[edit] Moving pages

You don't need to manually edit redirects after you've moved them. I think you'll find that redirects are created automatically.

In any case, doing so is counterproductive, because if someone wants to move a page back to its title, if the original page has more than just one edit, the move will fail. Thanks and HTH Dysprosia 06:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Alright, I'll remember not to change them manually. Thanks for the tip. Bungopolis 06:27, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Amoeba Music

Hi Al. I noticed your deletion request for Commons:Image:Amoeba Music San Francisco Exterior.jpg. I left a comment at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests#Image:Amoeba_Music_San_Francisco_Exterior.jpg. In my opinion, the right thing to do would have been to simply upload the darkened version of the photo over the washed-out version. See Commons:Image:Pretzel.jpg for an example. Cheers, dbenbenn | talk 23:43, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry! I was badly confused; I've explained at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests#Image:Amoeba_Music_San_Francisco_Exterior.jpg. dbenbenn | talk 01:37, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:United States Postal Service Truck.jpg

I cropped your photo so it looks better on the United States Postal Service page. Hopefully you like the change, but if not, feel free to revert it of course. - SCEhardt 01:51, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quarto by email

Hi Bungopolis, a new mailing list has been set up to distribute news about the Wikimedia foundation, specifically at the moment to publicise Quarto. I saw your name on the quarto talk page requesting a copy by email, and I think this mailing list is how we're going to do it for the moment. It'll be a html email, which I've added to the Quarto talk page m:Talk:WQ. Mailing list is called Foundation-news-l (We also need translators!) Cheers w:User:Cormaggio

[edit] Buillon

Thanks for the copyright reminder on . All tidy now. jk 11:35, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bushbulge image

I know the source is a video capture from PBS broadcast, but I'm not sure about the licensing from such a show. Isn't PBS public domain as its not for profit? --kizzle 23:58, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] response

I got a lot of that Jason Webley stuff not from springman but from Jason himself. He wrote the bio for his press packet. He is a friend of mine, and weird guy at that, and has no problem writing in the third person. I had no idea that what was buried in the bowels of Jason's site was also on the springman site. Although Avi, the owner of springman records and a friend of my fiance, may have copywrighted material markings on the webley page at the springman site, springman people did not write it.

[edit] Rahsaan

i see on your user page that you plan to expand Rahsaan Roland Kirk. i look forward to it. peace – ishwar  (speak) 04:40, 2005 August 16 (UTC)

[edit] List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia

I have started editing List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia while you was in the middle of cleaning it up. It is newly created, and has gone through a major re-organization. I would rather let you finish what you started (beating me to it -- wink) before I start making further changes. Thanks

Just please don't delete the TZ pic. I consider it to pertinent to the trivia referncing it. -- Jason Palpatine 19:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW -- you should not reduce the hotel room pic to the same size px as the TZ pic. The system size is set to width. Thus, the 2 pictures are actually not being set to the same size. That's why I had the hotel room pic set to a larger px, because I wanted them to be the size -- i.e. height. Jason Palpatine 19:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TMA-1

YYou wrote that:

I noticed that somebody linked the lunar monolith to Tycho Magnetic Anomaly TMA-1. Is this name mentioned in the film at all? --Bungopolis 09:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a good question. I put the link in while expanding the TMA-1 article itself. I remember the name from the book, rather than the movie; I had thought it occurred in the movie as well, but honestly can't remember. There are a couple of early versions of the screenplay floating around on the net, that refer to TMA-1 in the scene names/descriptions, but not the actual dialogue. Thoughts? It's easy enough to unlink if it's inappropriate - or could mention in the TMA-1 article that that name is only used in the book. Before I changed the TMA-1 article, it only mentioned the movie, not the book. Paddles TC 13:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Not mentioned -- shown. Remember, with a single exception, Kubrick deliberatly ommitted the use of direct dialouge in the movie. He presented everything he could visually. In scene after scene, characters talked around what was happening. On the journey in the sub-orbital shuttle, Halvorsen and Michaels showed Floyd a stack of diagrams, maps, and photographs indicating the discovery of an anomaly in the moon's magnetic field in Tycho crater, dubbed TMA-1 (Tycho Magnetic Anomaly #1). There was an image I included in the article that showed a closeup of the file Floyd was reading Image:2001TMA1printout.jpg that displayed the anagram. The image was to establish TMA-1 to the audience. But somebody decided that...
"There is no such thing as too little when it comes to fair use. That is all. "
..and proceded to delete it and a number of the other images I and another admin had left in the article -- butchering it. Your comment here demonstrates the point I have been repeating over and over to the brickwalls here: 2001 is primarily a visual experience; to not use multiple pictures, IMHO, leaves the article in a banal half-state. It was on account of the visual nature of the work that I incorperated more than the usual number of images. I have tried to be accomidationg, but it seems to mean nothing and my discussions fall on deaf ears. How many other people disapprove of the article as it now stands? Ok, some of the prose may need touching up -- I am not a professional writer!" -- User:Jason Palpatine speak your mind
PS -- I hope this was helpfull. -- Jason Palpatine 17:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] film synopsis up for AfD

"Needs a lot of work"????? -- Jason Palpatine 05:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image of starchild with Arthur C. Clarke quote

I am removing the quote "There before him, a glittering toy no Star-Child could resist, floated the planet Earth with all its peoples." from the caption for the image of the starchild under Synopsis as it is from the novel and not the film, so I don't think it belongs in this article at all. -Bungopolis 19:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I've had this discussion with others. The book and the film are reflections of each other. In fact, an entire chapter from the book is included in the film souviner program. I belive the qoute pertinent and appropiate.

I will await your reply

Jason Palpatine 23:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Citation

You requested ref citation of the Filmed but unused scenes section of 2001: A Space Odyssey (film). I attempted to insert references as you requested, but something went wrong. After the first paragraph, the rest of the article is blanked out -- still there but doesn't show.

HELP!

I've been telling you guys for months: I do not understand how to properly insert inline references into an article. The instructions read like a COBOL manual. I did more harm than good. Sorry. -- Jason Palpatine 13:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


PS -- An additional reference about the destruction of the 2001 sets is in the STARLOG magazine coverage of the making of 2010. Hyams had to use the final prisine cut of 2001 as a reference to reconstuct the sets and props -- with only fair results.

[edit] 2001

You said: "copyediting (this is a much improved plot summary, btw."

Thank you. -- Jason Palpatine 00:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2001: Are the Satellites Weapons?

Hello, SailorLula here. I'm the guy who added the "satellites are weapons" note to the 2001 entry that you deleted. I would respectfully like to argue that you can clearly discern, strictly from viewing the film alone, that they are indeed weapons.

Let's remember first that almost all the important messages of 2001 are conveyed in a less-than-explicit visual manner and are only communicated once the viewer "connects the dots" and draws a conclusion. E.g., perhaps the most important example all, that the Monolith has educated the man-ape. We know this only by drawing conclusions from the visual and audio material presented. Man-ape touches Monolith, man-ape picks up bone, quick-cut to Monolith and back once more, accompanied by Thus Spake Tharathustra swelling, and suddenly man-ape knows about tools/weapons. The logical conclusion to draw, upon which virtually everyone agrees, is that the Monolith taught man-ape about tools/weapons.

I argue that it's equally clear that the orbiting satellites are weapons. I list reasons in descending order of 'strength:'

1) The edit cut from bone/weapon to satellite. With this sharp weapon-to-satellite visual transition alone, Kubrick is practically handing us on a plate the "satellite=weapon" interpretation.

2) If you view the movie on the big screen (NOT on TV at home), you can discern the liveries of different countries on the different satellites in orbit. If memory serves me -- (I wish it was playing in Cinerama somewhere so I could confirm!) -- I believe you can make out (at the very least) CCCP (USSR), China and Germany. Curiously, all presumably nuclear powers around the year 2001. On TV at home all I can make out is a red blur on one satellite (USSR or China) and what looks like the German flag on another. Perhaps an HDTV-DVD release will allow us to examine this footage more closely.

3) The shape of the satellites in the eyes of a 1968 audience. 1968 viewers were generally familiar only with ball-shaped satellites such as Sputnik and Telstar. The 2001 satellites were all barrel-shaped (some might even call them gun-shaped) with the barrels all seemingly pointed at Earth. For 21st-Century viewers used to seeing barrel-shaped satellites such as Hubble, this jarring-to-1968-viewers detail is easy to miss.

4) Kubrick clearly has violence on the brain. Just before seeing the satellites we witness the man-ape violence. Later, while Heywood Floyd sleeps on his way to the space station, his video screen depicts some sort of battle between futuristic-looking tanks. On the way to the Moon, the stewardesses watch a karate battle while sipping their meals. And then there's that little matter with HAL.

5) This is reaching a bit, but the satellites, as contrasted with the space station, are clearly in a lower Earth orbit as would be consistent with optimal placement of space weapons targeting Earth.

I argue that these details leave the astute viewer with little doubt that Kubrick intended to visually convey that the satellites are indeed weapons.

Documentation, OUTSIDE of the film footage itself, that supports my argument includes the original 2001 script,

http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/2001.html

which explicitly states that the satellites are thousand-megaton nuclear bombs, and display the insignia of Russia/CCCP, America, France, Germany and China.

--Sailorlula 22:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Backup to namespace

Dont forget to backup your 2001 article to your namespace in case it gets deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs)


[edit] Interrobamf / Proposed Deletion of 2001 Trivia:

Adding this identical message to Jason Palpatine and Bungopolis' User talk:

Hi guys -- what do we do to get this Interrobamf guy off our backs WRT futzing with the 2001 film entry, and, more importantly, attempting to have the triva list deleted? If you look at his user talk, you'll see he's been written up bunch of times already for being a major asshole.

(Jason, do you want to add your voice/vote to keep the trivia page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia? )

Since Wiki discourages trivia articles, do we "de-trivialize" the article and/or roll its content back into the main film article?

P.S. is there any efficient way to talk here as a group without having to post to multiple user talk pages?

Regards, Sailorlula 00:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Linking categories

Re: this- preface it with a colon. For example, category:Living people Raul654 23:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metaweb says Howdy!

Ahoy, Bungopolis! I'm one of the founders of Metaweb. Give me a shout out: robert <at> metaweb <dot> com

[edit] Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science

You removed a paragraph from this article, claiming that it was "spam". It couldn't be, as it appears only in one article, but I assume that you mean that it's advertising. In fact, though, it simply makes a statement about the introduction of an on-line shop — no special link, nor much in the way of detail. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dialogue in 2001

In the article on the film '2001: A Space Odyssey,' I wrote in that Poole and Bowman interact with HAL but do not speak to each other until they begin discussing how to deal with HAL. This is a fact, not POV. If I were to re-word it (without the word 'interestingly'), would it be OK to put it back into the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.15.226.72 (talk • contribs) 07:41, 22 May 2007.

Reply posted here. -- Bungopolis 19:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HAL & IBM

How can you be so naive ?! Do you actually believe that this is really where the name HAL comes from ? Just look at most space programs: what is the probability of the name of the mission to have a nice-sounding acronym ? But it turns out that they're all nice and agreable. Why ? Because you choose the acronym before the name of the mission and then you make the name fit. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.154.103.158 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Reply posted here. -- Bungopolis 14:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia

I am informing you that User:A Man In Black recently deleted (via making it a redirect) the entire contents of this article without discussion. I have reverted his action as vandalism. Since you originated the article a year ago, I thought I should let you know. --Jason Palpatine 22:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC) This User fails to understand Wikipedia's Systematized Logistical Projection of its Balanced Policy Contingency. (speak your mind | contributions)

[edit] Additional

I need your help. He is now in an edit war with me on the matter. I have done 2 reverts of the article. If I do it a 3rd time, I will be locked out. Your help is requested in the matter. I consider his action vandalism (on account of the fact that he is acting alone and ignoring AFD procedure) and would appreciate your support -- ie. please revert it. --Jason Palpatine 23:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metaweb

I've completed your history merge request, but I've left the disambig page (and its history) there and just moved the edits relevant to the Metaweb Tech article. It'll be up to you guys on what to do with the disambig page now. Singularity 22:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Help Odyssey

Your help with this draft would be most welcome! I'm trying to find info on Scott MacLeod, and where all the content on HAL and the Monolith came from so I can reference it properly. Dreadstar † 09:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


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