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Contents 1 Shoe polish 2 Exicornt 3 EddieSegoura 4 Thank You 5 Vandalisim 6 Transaction 7 Hello 8 Conversation moved from User talk:EddieSegoura 9 editing my page 10 Please don't vandalise my page 11 Ju Shou 12 AFD 13 An interesting question 14 ATLAS revert 15 My acid tongue 16 Thanks 17 Pepper 18 You're a sysop! 19 Headings 20 Blueberry collaboration 21 Re: Image:Exicornt2.jpg 22 Congratulations on the RfA! 23 Butter 24 Why "Exicornt?" 25 Thanks! 26 Semi-protection 27 Hope You don't mind the Subway Car photos. 28 Thanks 29 Barnstar 30 Thanks 31 Medal!!! 32 BD2412's RFA 33 Wikipedia:Peer review/Saffron/archive1 34 Users who trust Jimbo 35 The Buffalo Skull of Diligence 36 Possible Sock Puppet 37 Wikipedia:Unusual articles 38 blanking by 24.147.103.146 39 Michigan State Capitol

[edit] Shoe polish

Hey Bunch, many many thanks for all your help in getting shoe polish to become a Featured article. With an awesome total of 15 support votes and zero opposes, shoe polish is now a featured article! Woohoohoo. Thanks, Proto t c 10:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Exicornt

Hi Bunchofgrapes, I am aware You posted a delete request on a page I submitted. I assume You did this because You might have found the page to be too confusing or probably because You didn't understand the term. I will try to keep to page up to avoid have the page disappear and reappear on the site. Deleting a page will only result in another user reposting, and theirfore I'm trying to fix the page so people can understand what the page is describing. -- EddieSegoura (talk) 7:29 PM, November 22, 2005 (EST)

[edit] EddieSegoura

Given what is happening in the Rfa's Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/EddieSegoura and now Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/EddieSegoura_2. Given that the word Exicornt appears made up. Given the use of sock puppets. Given the use of minor edit designation for major edits. I can't judge if most of his edits are correct/verifiable or not but the grammar is awful, almost intensional. Adding all these things together from a user who has only been around for less than a month shouldn't this users edits all be reverted as non verifiable? David D. (Talk) 01:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

A "sockpuppet" is a person pretending to be someone else. Do I have to explain that I'm not another person again? EddieSegoura 05:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Thank you for complimenting me on my assuming good faith. I'm just trying to help users that are misguided, you can't just assume that they're horrible users and people, and don't understand, and then not help them. They have to be helped, even if they are the worst editors in the universe, they need help, they need some guiding, and I've decided that if its ever needed, I will try to provide that guiding. Quentin Pierce 04:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalisim

Please stop vandalising my page. leave it alone No Whammies 18:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Stop, it Eddie. It fools nobody. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

you seem to be confusing me with someone else,whoever you are. No Whammies 18:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

In relation to this, thank you for reverting the vandalism done to my page by No Whammies. -- RattleMan 02:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Transaction

Great doing business with you. I mean....just came to say hi. So Hi. Quentin Pierce 03:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

In regards to the Exicornt, I thought you might be interested in this link: http://www.nycsubway.org/maps/track -- Mr. Transit 16:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Why is this of interest? David D. (Talk) 23:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conversation moved from User talk:EddieSegoura

Eddie, you promised, no more usernames. User:Mr. Transit's (contribs) first edit was to add something to Exicornt, and his second was to vote to merge at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Exicornt. Which makes it look like this is another account you created to try to keep the Exicornt page. You promised you wouldn't do that. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, if you read very closely, he's never promised that he would stop using sock puppets. In the above discussion with NSLE, Eddie wrote, "I didn't know editing under a second IP address or username could cause people to think of Me as someone like that. I will be using this name only until those names cleared of any tags." Eddie appears to state that he admits using sock puppets and will continue using them, although what it really means is up for interpretation. The first time I asked Eddie to stop using sock puppets was on Talk:Lists of tropical cyclone names, where he claimed that he shares "this computer with people who know about this site, so I asked them to make accounts also to avoid IP address conflicts." [1] Well, many of us have heard that explanation before and it just doesn't hold water. When I pushed Eddie further, he promised to try and login when making comments as Eddie Segoura [2] but he has never agreed to stop using sock puppets at any time. --Viriditas 21:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Some of his socks are pretty obvious, isn't there someway to freeze those accounts? This type of disregard for the rules is exactly where wiki admins need to come down strong rather than pussy footing around trying to encourage Eddie.

Eddie when you use you User:EddieSegoura account I will be happy to encourage you, but the socks have to go. Messing around with other peoples votes is obviously unacceptable too. To tell you the truth I am surprised you have not been banned for that already. Take a step back, get your evidence together and present your case. Using subterfuge will just piss everyone off, in fact, you already have pissed everyone off! David D. (Talk) 21:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The problem I have with you is that every single time someone votes on Exicornt's keep/merge/deletion they're quick to assume it's Me! Don't You people know that ANYONE can vote on those pages? -- EddieSegoura 22:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The chances of new users making one of their very first edits a vote on Exicornt are approximately zero. They are either you, friends of yours, or people out to get you in trouble for some very strange reason. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Eddie has tried to close the Exicornt AfD as a "merge". [3] I have raised this issue on WP:ANI. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to get admin FreplySpang to settle this now before anyone gets hurt. I thought 5 days (Tuesday thru [[Saturday[[) passed and wanted to have it settled. I didn't know You'd personally get offeneded by it. -- EddieSegoura 23:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't have any more power to settle things than anyone else. As I said on WP:ANI, I do think the premature closure was an honest mistake. The rest of it? Unclear, but likely to become clearer in the next few days. FreplySpang (talk) 23:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] editing my page

your tags have been removed again. please stop BestBuy25 01:08, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Your very first edit was to vote "merge" in the AfD for Exicornt. That creates a strong suspicion that you may be a sockpuppet of the main defender of that page, EddieSegoura. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

i didn't know it would lead you to assume someone else was doing it under my user name. i was trying to offer my input and i'm sorry if i caused you any trouble. i also noticed that you started the delete page. BestBuy25 01:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I certainly did. "Exicornt" doesn't seem to be a word, and Eddie has been strangely reluctant to provide sources for it. I'm sure, though, since you also know the word [4], you can recall where you learned it and tell us all about it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't vandalise my page

I noticed you put some i took off my page this morning. Please don't do it again, that's considered vandalism Lets Go Yankees 20:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

It isn't generally considered vandalism to tag a sockpuppet page as being a sockpuppet page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Explain this to me: what makes you claim that I'm a "sockpuppet"? Commenting on a deletion page isn't enough to justify this claim. Lets Go Yankees 20:25, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Commenting on an obscure deletion page, voting to keep or merge a term that has 0 google hits and no references, as your second edit ever on Wikipedia: nobody's as unintelligent as you pretend. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

If you want to discuss this further I suggest you email me: YankeeFan78@BLUELION.zzn.com Yankee Fan 20:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ju Shou

Damn, that was quick. Kudos. Reyk 00:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

Hi Bunchofgrapes. Thanks for the help in AFD. I actually screwed up the AFD request before that and I think that's what screwed up the second AFD. Thanks HackJandy 04:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] An interesting question

Due to the most uttering-awesome work that you've exemplified on Black pepper—which will be the featured article on the main page this coming weekend—I was just curious to know if you wanted to work on an article together sometime. You know, anything, as I really require a break from all of the hustle and bustle that has become Hollaback Girl. Whatever your reply, I am content. –Hollow Wilerding 00:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Nothing in particular, but I have been leaning toward something categorized in the fruit/vegetable section. –Hollow Wilerding 01:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Well it appears that there are a handful of articles I would be interested in elevating to featured article status (or not): blueberry, potato, carrot, or milk. —Hollow Wilerding 21:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ATLAS revert

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I decided not to keep changes, but many of them were by no means obvious; it was clearly written by someone who knew quite a bit. I put an explanation of each change and why I didn't keep it at Talk:ATLAS_experiment#Recent_reverted_changes, and left a note on the anon's talk page reffering them there. Thanks again. -- SCZenz 19:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, should be fixed now. I just wasn't very careful about which way some of the changes went, I guess. I've restored some of the anon's edits; see talk page. Thanks for paying more attention than I was.. ;) -- SCZenz 05:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My acid tongue

Pun intended on "base topics"? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. Sca 20:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your help. I will WP:AGF on User:Splash, but still would like confirmation that changing "Do not Delete" votes to "Keep" is really considered to be vandalism - IMO it definitely shouldn't be considered to be vandalism, because it goes against the spirit of Wikipedia to consider any attempts to make the encyclopaedia more readable to be vandalism. As you can imagine, whenever I am accused of vandalism, it doesn't sit too well with me. :) Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 00:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Yikes. That quickly spiralled out of control. I guess he is an admin, and admins stick together. LOL. I am finding this quite amusing, and might save the (il)logical arguments for later. Its funny how defensive people get. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 01:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

It's not "vandalism", but is, I would have to agree with everyone else, very poor form indeed. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

It's poor form to clean up an article? I just made it more readable. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 03:21, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

That's not an Article; that's a discussion. Cleaning up article... good. Cleaning up other people's messages... bad. This is a pretty easy distinction. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Hrm. Happens all the time on Wikipedia discussion forums. What's the problem? "Do not Delete" and "Keep" mean exactly the same thing. I was merely making it clearer. I changed it to a comment afterwards, but my comment was then vandalised by someone else. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 03:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

"Keep" means "keep". "Do not Delete" — in the context of an RfD — means "I haven't been around Wikipedia enough to see how things usually work at AfD, but I'm going to vote keep." Same meaning, different connotations. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:41, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pepper

I'm speaking mostly out of experience. I can at least say with certainty for the Balkans that white pepper was virtually unheard of until recently and that the only pepper used in traditional cuisine, ground or whole, is black. The pepper served ground on the tables is always black. In my travels around Europe, I've never noticed white pepper on tables, and all the cooking shows I've seen on French, Italian and even German TV normally use black pepper. Zocky 04:22, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

In the meantime, I found an interesting page at [5], an excelent site about spices. It says: "Also white pepper is mainly used in Western cooking. It is often suggested for white (cream-based) sauces where black pepper could spoil the colour; sauce Béchamel is a typical example.", and then goes on to say "For all other purposes, black pepper is usually preferred. It is widely used in almost all cuisines of the world." I think that the writer of the site you found may have confused the first sentence (or a similar one from a different source) to mean "In Europe, white pepper is mostly used" instead of "White pepper is mostly used in Europe". Zocky 04:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Having just read through the fine treatise of Black pepper and somewhatt accidentally the comments above, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents to see if I can shed any light on the subject. As Zocky states correctly above, white pepper is most often used when the dark flecks of black pepper would detract from a dish's appearance, as is the case with lightly-colored sauces. White pepper tends to be more subtle in flavor than black, and is ground much finer (it almost has the consistency of table salt). It is also MUCH more expensive than black pepper, and is usually available only in small packages (particularly at the retail level) whereas black pepper in either fine or coarse grind can be had in everything from individual serving packets up to (practically) 55-gallon drums; I would imagine cost would be at least one barrier to seeing this used as a table condiment. White pepper has seen a marked increase in use during recent years with the ever-expanding role of televised cooking shows (it is a culinary school "secret" that has now been borught to the attention of the general public). Hope this helps.--Lordkinbote 20:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You're a sysop!

Please also add your name to WP:LA =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Bunchesofcongrats. BD2412 T 05:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much, BD, and best of luck on your own nomination, which I hear is real touch-and-go. PS stop making us other nominees look so unpopular! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian 05:50, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations. Think three times before pressing any new button. In case of uncertainty on any of the 3 times, leave it to someone else, and see how they reach their decision. Pretty soon, it'll come naturally. -Splash^talk 05:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • You've probably already discovered that only deletion comes with a free confirmation screen, unfortunately. (And deleting a page to make way for a move.) Other than that, you're on your own....except that anything can be reveresd by another admin, apart from img deletion and history merges. You'll also see that l'il orange bar turn up about 1 second after you first get something wrong... -Splash^talk 17:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Congratulations. I'm sure that you will use your powers only for good. TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Congrats! —thames 22:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Likewise, congrats on the adminship! NSLE _{(讨论+extra CVU)} 08:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations. :) I am sure you'll be a great admin. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 14:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations, and wishing you a nice new year. --Bhadani 15:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations (doubly); must be nice to be designated an admin and have an FA on the Main Page both on the same day. Good luck!--Lordkinbote 20:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Headings

sry --Jaysscholar 05:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blueberry collaboration

I would just like to inform you that there will be a collaboration on blueberry beginning by Christmastime. I was curious to know if you'd like to participate, considering you've elevated several food articles to featured status. —Hollow Wilerding 02:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Your support is greatly appreciated! Of course you can begin to edit the article as of present if you feel like it, although the actual collaboration will not begin until Christmas, as myself and User:DrippingInk will be busy until the holidays. Nonetheless, thanks for your valued support! —Hollow Wilerding 02:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Image:Exicornt2.jpg

The owner of the image has been Email about it. He'll respond and decide if the image is allowed to remain. If He asks for it to be deleted, I'll let You know -- Eddie 10:43 PM, December 3, 2005 (EST)

[edit] Congratulations on the RfA!

Hey, Bunch!
I just want to congratualte You for Your promotion to an Admin. I hope we can get along because I'm eyeing the same thing by the end of March -- about 4 months from now. I hope You can help Me build a good reputation (so I can get Your support) and I apologize for that second image. -- Eddie 04:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Butter

Congrats! Great work on the Butter article. deeptrivia (talk) 04:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why "Exicornt?"

Hiya, Bunch!
As You already know I've archive My "Exicornt" page after is was deleted because I could not get the research or verification I needed to keep it up. I want You to know that I'm not pushing to get the articale recreated in the mainspace ASAP. However, some of You still wonder why I use the word and even as a user subpage someone has claims against it (trying to get it deleted). To that end, check the bottom of the archived page. I've tried to explane it as best I can. I thank You the keep vote. -- Eddie 12:06, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Now that my RFA is officially and fully over, I thought I'd thank you for voting to support me first. Oh, and congrats on your own RFA too! -- SCZenz 18:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection

I saw you just reverted vandalism on George W. Bush, and wondered what you thought about the proposals to curb what's going on there. If you have time, check out Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, and weigh in (there's a bit of a large discussion page, so be prepared.) Hope to see you there. -Mysekurity ^{(have you seen this?)} 01:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hope You don't mind the Subway Car photos.

I added photos (which I took) to a few subway car articles.<BT> Check it out: R143, R68, and R40. If their are any objections, please let Me know now. I hope it was a worthwhile edit. Eddie 03:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your message regarding the number of articles rejected for FA versus the number accepted. yes, it does make me feel better. --Anagnorisis 14:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

[edit] Thanks

Hi, Bunchofgrapes, I am the clueless newbie who tried to make "Fujita Scale" on the "Moore, OK" page a link and screwed it up - you fixed it. Could you please let me know (a) what I did wrong and (b) how I could have fixed it.

Given that I've spent the last forty minute trying (without success) to create a hyperlink here to my shiny new user_talk page, I obviously need help :)

jgoulden

[edit] Medal!!!

The image is a bit... messed up. I'll leave you with the cleaning. :P

Oh, and congrats on becoming a sysop! —Hollow Wilerding 00:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BD2412's RFA

Although my RfA is not over yet, I figured that since so many people voted before it had been posted, I may as well start thanking people before it wraps up. It'll take me that long to thank everyone who voted anyway! Thank you, Bunchofgrapes, for jumping on the bandwagon - I'll do my best as an admin to make the reality rise to the level of the dream. BD2412 T 17:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Saffron/archive1

Hi. I know you have much experience building food-related articles. I just submitted Saffron for peer review. Would you like to offer some brief comments? Thanks. Saravask 18:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I really am grateful for all your input. I like the image you provided, and I think I've addressed most of your points (let me know if this isn't true). As you pointed out, I still need to add more content on pricing, as well as perhaps biology. There is also one phrase I need to clean up for clarity. I hope I was quick enough in addressing your feedback. Thanks for your generosity. Saravask 21:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Users who trust Jimbo

Your view is the one everyone operates under, whether they know it or not; it is his project, and everyone else can fork or leave. What's really had me mad are the assumptions of iodiocy and bad faith people have been making about Jimbo in places like Talk:Alan Dershowitz. Trusting Jimbo may be too strong; giving him the benefit of the doubt when you don't have all the information is fair. -- SCZenz 18:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Besides, I really kind of like the aesthetics of the userbox I made. ;-) -- SCZenz 18:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, many people here enjoy being very upset about something much of the time; I guess right now they all have things in common to be upset about. -- SCZenz 18:41, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Buffalo Skull of Diligence

Thanks for your work reverting the vandals on Mandan while it was on the mainpage yesterday! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:56, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Sock Puppet

I think someone may be trying to sock-puppet you. Just FYI.--ViolinGirl^♪ 23:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure. I was glad to help! --ViolinGirl^♪ 00:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Unusual articles

I suggest you list the articles (you know which) in Wikipedia:Unusual articles where I believe they would be welcomed. I could have done myself, but I think you will do better at providing a lovely introduction for each of them.

Congrats for recent adminship, btw. You are doing a great job. --BorgQueen 04:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] blanking by 24.147.103.146

Per SCZenz's request, I have listed the blanking/copyright events involving 24.147.103.146 (and later 204.169.116.1 at WP:AN/I. If theres anything i've missed about these events please feel free to add. Thanks again for your help. -Lanoitarus _^(talk) .:. 00:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Michigan State Capitol

Hello. We have been busy working on your suggested improvements. Can you take a look see? Thanks. Jtmichcock 03:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)