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[edit] Life's Sharp Turns
What can one say? Cecilia wanted to come here too - she loves flowers Mmmmmmmm! Giano
What can one say? Cecilia wanted to come here too - she loves flowers Mmmmmmmm! Giano

I've just suffered a grave real-life tragedy. Editing may be infrequent to nonexistent for a while. Not sure. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Wishing you the best. Take care, FloNight 19:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I am sorry to hear you are suffering - please take care of yourself and let me know if there is anything I can do. (((hugs))) KillerChihuahua?!? 20:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Our thoughts are with you. Take care and let us know if we can help. Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 20:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • (((Military Salute))) Wish you the best. Martial Law 22:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry to hear that, Bog. You'll be missed and we'll be thinking of you. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Take care. – Chacor 05:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • If only I could say anything... But please stay well and stay with us when you can. --Irpen 06:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I am sorry to hear of your troubles and hope that things are not too bad. Real-life is much more important than this place, but please let us know if there is anything at all that we can do to help. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Please accept my condolences and prayers. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to all, your voices are appreciated. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per all of above. Newyorkbrad 14:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry to hear that things are rough. We'll be here when you get back. -- nae'blis 15:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Please accept my warm thoughts and condolences during this trying time.--Lord Kinbote 18:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • To add another voice, take care BoG. We all hope to see you again when you're ready. Marskell 18:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I hope things will be fine soon, Bunch. I can't imagine my wikilife without you. --BorgQueen 18:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Very, very sorry to hear that, Bunch. With prayers, sympathy, and good wishes, AnnH ♫ 23:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Take care of yourself, stay strong, and be well. —Viriditas | Talk 00:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry to hear about this too - wishing you and your loved ones strength, comfort and peace. FreplySpang 14:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I came to thank you for your awesome support and encouragement before and during my RfA, but your very sad news above has put things in their right perspective. May you find some comfort in the knowledge that you're in the thoughts and prayers of your wiki-friends. Please make sure you take good care of yourself, Bunch, —Sarah Ewart (Talk) 16:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Very sorry to hear of this. Hope everything works out for the best... ++Lar: t/c 17:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Take the best of care. --Mcginnly | Natter 18:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry to hear of this. Take care. up+land 06:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Very sad news. My Prayers and sympathy to you and your loved ones. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 06:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
  • grips shoulder I'm so sorry. DS 00:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry to hear of this. - Mailer Diablo 06:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sigh

OK, I'm obviously not able, willing, or wanting to stay completely away from the Wiki. I really do most sincerely appreciate each and every message above, and Bish, if I didn't say so, the revised flower arrangement was so nice. (Don't eat 'em, Cecilia!) Anyway, my talk page is open for normal communications. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, it is really nice of you to say so, but please do not divert your attentions from real-life issues (unless it helps to do so, of course). Our thoughts are still with you. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah. Rereading the above, I'm not sure what I mean by "normal communications", really... —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Meeheehee! Munch, There are many ways of communicating and we are all here, munch, for when you, munch, return, or just want to say Hi. Lots of, munch, love Cecilia
(((Military Rifle Salute))). Still with you. Martial Law 23:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikihelp

Bunch, help, why does this thing do those weird cats, can you get rid of them? I thought I was clever putting colons in front of all the cats, but there's still something... well, just look! Bishonen | talk 11:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC).

By putting the colon in front of the category, you have changed the category tag to simply be a link to the category. There is no harm done, and it is fine like that. You could comment out the cats instead, but there is less text to change the way you have it. If you want to make it easier yet, ask one of your techie pals (not me, I don't know much about templates actually) to make up a real {{thewolfstar}} template to just drop in or subst. You might run into some resistance with the WP:DENY crowd, but I shouldn't think there would be a problem since this isn't a vandal so much as a banned POV pusher. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes yes, I know what the colon is for, but I meant, what are those actual weird cats? At the bottom of the page? Bishonen | talk 21:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC).
O-I-C. They are piped - [[:Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Thewolfstar|{{PAGENAME}}]] creates a link to the category, but the post-pipe part is displayed. Compare Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Thewolfstar (no pipe) and Bunchofgrapes/Archive 13 (which displays as "Bunchofgrapes" because of the "|{{PAGENAME}}". HTH. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The disgruntled editors' kaffeklatch (or whatever we call it) does not say HTH, ALoan. Rule 23-2 slash one-one-eight. But that's right. Those are simply piped links now. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ping

Thank you...I think I'll reread that when I'm fully awake or fully smart, whichever comes first. I admit to being deeply suspiciouos of all explanations containing the word "simply". It usually means "Haha, you think you'll understand this? Dream on!". HAND, ALoan. Bunchofgrapes, ping? Beep? Are you there? Bishonen | talk 03:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC).

I'm here! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

From one Oregonian to another. I'm up in Portland; what part of the state are you living in? (Yes, I know this is a banal topic to inquire about, but I've been contributing to Wikipedia for almost 4 years now & I still feel like the only Wikipedian living here.) -- llywrch 18:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come on, User:Dmcdevit is a Reedie! (Too temporary for you?) I grew up in Eugene; I'm in Tigard now. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
So I've been told. I tried to arrange a meetup a couple of months ago & invited Dmcdevit, but he was back home with the folks at the time. GTBacchus used to live in Portland, but he moved to Seattle a couple of months ago. Too bad: he is a great guy to hang with. -- llywrch 23:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best wishes

Hang tough buddy...one of these days I'm going to need all the help you can give me in getting Bigfoot to FA level...so long as we can keep Beckjord and his intergalatic space-beast nonsense out of there, it should be a piece of cake.--MONGO 19:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

interdimensional, shapeshifting space beast you mean. :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ping

I'm there. Bishonen | talk 22:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC).

Pong. I'm there now. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Ping. Now the Chatzilla icon doesn't even jump up and down any more! I just can't tell when I'm being paged at all. :-(. Bishonen | talk 03:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Tough day

My thoughts are with you today. Bishonen | talk 15:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC).

Let me know if I can help in any way. FloNight
Let me know if I can help in any way. FloNight

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm|(talk) 22:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ping

All done (practically). I can safely say that was boring. Are you there? Bishonen | talk 00:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Ping

Ping? Bishonen | talk 20:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC).

I'm at work. Working ever-so-hard. Oh yeah. Slaving away. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beep

How about now? Bishonen | talk 21:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC).

You have mail. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apple milk

Hi Bunchofgrapes, I didn't say this before, but my thoughts have been with you since your announcement earlier, and I hope things are going better for you and yours. I came across this article Apple milk, while I was over at CAT:CSD the other day and decided to bring it here. You have a reputation as our culinary go-to guy, among other things of course. Would you like to look into this? It was marked for speedy deletion by an anon as a hoax, but it seemed somewhat plausible to me, and I ran it through google only to end up in a vast hall of mirrors, repeating exactly those same two lines from the article, somewhat reminiscent of a scene in one Bruce Lee film. Maybe you know of some way to verify it? Best wishes, DVD+ R/W 23:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think Apple milk or Apple curd exist, or if they do they seem pretty unverifiable to me. One might make apple curd in the manner of lemon curd, but that's really just a custard and wouldn't have any milky byproducts. I'd say throw them both to AfD. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe you. I've just been deleting too much lately and it is starting to wear on me. Do you want to take them to AfD? By the way, I saw some of the maps you drew and really like them. Regards, DVD+ R/W 05:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Google suggests that apple curd does exist; it also find recipies for a form of "apple milk" made from apples and milk in Morocco (where is also known as "sharbat") and India. HTH. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I've had apple curd and lemon curd, some people in Britain call it lemon cheese, but it's the same sort of thing Giano 17:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Sure, that's the custard stuff. If you look at apple curd, though, the description is rather... misleading at best. Apply juice itself won't coagulate. Pectin might gel it if you got a high enough concentration, I suppose, but that's not how lemon curd is thickened, nor apple curd, I suppose. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] G'day BoG

Just checked in, and as nothing much is happening on my watch list, thought I'd come and check out your contributions, to see if their was anything that might interest me - sadly no!!! Just been to Bishonen's page nothing doing there either. Can't do any more to my latest page untill the new book turns up so its a sort of boring evening really - I shall have to find a way to amuse myself then! Giano 17:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I know, my contributions suck! (At least I drew a few maps.) If I felt like leaving Wikipedia (I don't) then this period of my life here would probably be my best chance; I hardly feel addicted at all right now. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • We could always spend the evening (well evening for me anyway) doing a collaboration, there's fantastic restaurant near Times Square "Trattoria Dopo Teatro" (give it a plug [1]) It's my favourite place in NY, I go there whenever I am in town, it is better than some restaurants (which I won't mention in Rome, Ragusa and Palermo (all stamping grounds of mine) I could do the ambiance and decor (the architecture stinks) and you could do the food - better still we could organize a "private" wikimeet there - who shall we ask, Geogre could travel up from "er......whereveritis", Bishonen cold jet in from wherever it is in the permafrost astride here elk, and ALoan who is very rich indeed (he does tax!) could pilot him and me in his personal jet, Wetman could just stroll down the street, and Ghirlandajo and "the Russians" could speed in on the troika - I can picture it now - Slimvirgin with that dog of hers, Killer in her sophisticated designer gear - Hoary (I imagine him somehow on a Harley-Davidson), Mcginnly he's probably one of those trendy architects who rides Harley as well so one of them can ride pillion - anyone else you think we should ask? No doubt you know who will gatecrash but they probably serve oriental cuisine and sushi too if one asks in advance. This could be the wiki-meet of the decade. Giano 18:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd get on the plane tomorrow for *that* meetup. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
"very rich indeed"?! That would be news to my bank manager. Very busy indeed would be closer to the mark, at the beginning of this week, at least, but certain matters have resolved themselves one way or the other. Others will be along soon, no doubt.
If you want something to do, Giano, how about filling in one of my redlinks? Duke's Company, perhaps, or Salisbury Court Theatre? Or even letter of introduction or Monte Milleto? Or Porta Salaria or Piazza Napoleone? Or Shepherd Market oe Institute of Advanced Legal Studies? Go on! -- ALoan (Talk) 19:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Bugger off Aloan (incivility intended) all those links are very dull indeed which is why they are all red; Shepherd Market indeed, do you think I am the sort of person who knows where that is. actually I do, it's what some-one I know calls "Mayfair", but a kindly taxi driver pointed out to me it was in fact Shepherd Market. I suppose though youlive in Mayfair being so rich - If you come to our wikimeet (invitation only) you can order a "Piazza Napoleone" (geddit?) Giano 19:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Boring?! Well, I have just created Michael Pollock, and expanded Alan Fletcher (graphic designer), not to mention Paramarines. Go on, write one! Or pick another. How about Gaul Killing Himself and His Wife, or Château de Challeau, or Thinking man's crumpet? (I have been saving the last as a special treat.) -- ALoan (Talk) 21:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peep

Beeps? Bishonen | talk 18:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC).

As for you, Giacomo, get with the program and we'll all have an IRC meetup like the cool kids. Bishonen | talk 18:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC).
  • I don't do IRC I don't approve of chatrooms, who knows who one may meet! - besides which they wanted to charge me £15, and unlike ALoan I am not very rich Giano 19:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm at work today, probably for another 5 hours or so. /me sighs broadly. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Hogeye's edit warring

Hogeye just created two pov forks of Anarchism (anarchism (social) and anarchism (political)). These are both clearly pov forks and were redirected to the anarchism page, which hogeye has already reverted calling it vandalism (even though I explained why on the talk pages of each). Hogeye knows this is against policy and doesn't really give a damn as evidenced by his message on Talk:Anarchism under the topic "YANDP". This user is seriously wearing down people's patience and is clearly trying to provoke an edit war. As a relatively non-interested party (and an admin) I would appreciate it if you got involved in this. I also just noticed this page as well. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 19:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia accused in ATTACK

My terminal is rigged to go to Google, and when I go to this site, I see other related sites. This one claims that Wikipedia has attacked a historian. Site is Wikipedia Zionists Attack Honest Historian James Bacque. Source is a E-mail: henrithecelt@gci.net, was dated 9-20-06. Title in the main column on Jeff Rense's site is The Sins Of Wik. Did I do the right thing ? Can this be placed in the Wikipedia's Spotlight newspaper ? Martial Law 00:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Is someone trying to attack Wikipedia ? Martial Law 00:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Look, there's any number of nazi sites on the web. No, stuff from them doesn't go in the Wikipedia Signpost, for god's sake. Bunchofgrapes doesn't want posts about them on his page either. Go away and stop bothering him. Frutti di Mare 00:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC).
Thought Wikipedia should know this, since it's under attack by what you say is nazi propaganda. Appreciate your concerns, assisstance. Martial Law 01:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, ML. I'll be frank. No one cares. Please stop posting unnecessary stuff. We don't REALLY need to know. – Chacor 01:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I saw something that could be of concern, thus acted accordingly, no more, no less. Someone else who may see that may not be so nice. I've met people like that. Will comply Chacor. Martial Law 01:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rosemary

Hmm.[2] Not done yet, it seems. How about someone such as you? Bishonen | talk 15:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC).

I'll have a look at likely ranges in a little bit. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
It's 80.90.32.0/19. The block log for the range is revealing -- even the mighty bishzilla has blocked the range in question before. I've tried a 3-month, anon only block. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pathetic

Dear BoG, would you care for a beer at the Pathetically Poor Writers' Clubhouse? You will find it next to the Disgruntled Wikipedians' Coffee Shop, just around from the cattle market at Smithfield (big bulls, don'chaknow). I see you have a big, ah, pole of your own up top... -- ALoan (Talk) 19:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, are we all invited? Is there a cover charge, or a minimum? Maybe somone can scrounge up a free pass. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry "no free passes" can be allowed, and do be careful with that big pole, they can do untold damage if used if used in a cavalier fashion! Giano 19:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Cover charge? Is that one of those American fancies, like labelling goods with prices without taxes included, so you can never get your small change ready? No, no charge, free membership. You will have to put up with warm beer, though. And Giano is right - you could have someone's eye out with that thing. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I fancy warm stout well enough, and can't drink pale ale or anything more bitter at any temperature, so maybe I'll be all right. A cover charge is an admission; usually only in place when there's a musical act or something. The pole there is lodged amidst a village probably very like the one my wife grew up in. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and Oregon is one of the few states without a sales tax :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
OREGON? Have you gone on holiday, you must be missing Idaho so much - I'm told it's beautiful in the Autumn, all those big redwoods or whatever it is conker trees are called in those parts - well at least you have the water sports I suppose. Giano 21:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Idaho? I'm sure BoG has his own private Idaho. But in Oregon. Where he has always been, as long as I remember. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

No No your mistaken it's Idaho where BoG hails from, I have a somethingorother in Geography when I was 14, its a beautiful place full of trees, alligators and Tom Sawyer type people singing happy songs on steam boats. Giano 21:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The social space of a sweet (you put your weed in there)

Sweets as a mode of communication--love it! Hmmm, "universally disliked, except by the Dutch..." "occupying the social space of a sweet"... LOL! Aha, the heart of the matter: DUTCH CIVILIZATION IS SALTED! This is what I have always suspected! It is the complete, self-radiant explanation of User:JRM. (Though admittedly nothing can explain Kim Bruning.) I guess salmiak stands for salted herring in Sweden, too, which in turn occupies a very important national space, although hardly anybody now alive has actually tasted it. The product name of the liquorice Swedish fish is in fact "salt sill" (=salted herring). Geogre, you need to read this stuff. It's here. I love anthropology. . Bishonen | talk 21:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC).

Bishonen dear, are you feeling quite well? Giano 21:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think you understand these things in Sardinia, Giano. CIVILISATION IS SALTED. Pass it on. And pass the salmiak. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • So how yor know my Granny - she from Sardinia? Giano 22:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:1 featured article per quarter

Spamming everyone I can think of. Marskell 15:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Artwork}}

Should we protect this template while it is on the main page? Someone er edited it and made it pretty confusing. DVD+ R/W 02:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The template isn't actually on the main page, right? Just in the linked article? No, I think it should be treated normally, and not protected unless the attacks become intense. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
They're doing it again, its probably the same person. It is the template that the main image (which is protected safely at the Commons) is in. It shows up on the article and makes it difficult to figure out what is going on. DVD+ R/W 02:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, I semi-protected. Help me remember to undo it later. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try to remind. What a cool article, I should note. For an art FA or for an article about something by Durer, it is not "core" at all. Nothing against that of course, but I like this one because it is unique. DVD+ R/W 03:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It is awesome. I barely helped; it's all User:ALoan. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Cheers :) Perhaps we should just "subst:" the template? Or delete it? It does not really add all that much anyway: it is just a sub-infobox. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, it's a dimfobox, all right, but why make waves? After it's off the main page, having it in there won't realy be an issue. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Reminder-- it's almost the new day. Though I still don't understand how the clock works here. After unprotecting- do we leave the template be, delete it, subst it, merge it with {{painting}} (which it is, with the name as the exception, the same as) or something else? Hi ALoan, another compliment from me about the Rhino, it is exceptional. DVD+ R/W 23:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

All compliments gratefully recieved :) I enjoyed writing it immensely.

I don't care about the box at all - I didn't add it in the first place, but it does little harm, so left it in - but feel free to keep it, delete it, whatever you want. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date on Dürer's Rhinoceros

Hi Bunchofgrapes. You reverted a legitimate edit by an anon... he was changing the date back to May 20 after the IP before him vandalized it (changed it to May 22). No big deal, but it's the kind of subtle vandalism that you really have to look out for on a Main Page article. ~MDD4696 05:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. Thanks. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Do not fear, User:ALoan is here! But thank you both for the help. The schoolboy vandalism (literally, in many cases, judging from the anon's IPs) is a little dispiriting. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Just confirming that it was me, Monsieur "ofgrapes". -- ALoan (Talk) 15:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The History Club

BoG! How could you - [3]? I had just finished this amazing analogy to post, you see Marie-Antoinette (likened to a well know admin) is on her balcony eating cream cakes, while the peasants are revolting (peasants always are in my experience, can't imagine why that man thinks I'm a Marxist "the working class can kiss my arse" and all that is my maxim) anyway Marie-Antoinette is stuffing her face, and Louis XVI (another well known editor) is on his balcony fiddling while Paris is burning - quite succinct and to the point I thought - now what can I do with it? Giano 18:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Cream cakes? Are you sure? Wan't that Pam Ayres? (Naughty, but nice.)
But tell me more. Who or what is L-XVI fiddling with, exactly? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Fidling with what? There are times when I wonder, ALoan, if I am the only editor here with a real sense and uderstanding of history Giano 21:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ping

ping? I'm not on any channel—too fed up—but /query bishonen should raise me from the vasty deep. (But little point in trying it much later than now, as belive it or not I need to go to bed.) Bishonen | talk 01:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] ping ping

I'm there now. Bishonen | talk 01:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Please advice me.....

Dear Bunch of grapes,

We recently started a not for profit web forum called silver-collector.com, which I added to the page on sterling silver.

You removed the link and posted that there should be no web forums.

I respect you decision but I'd like to ask you to reconsider....

On silver-collector.com, we have sections with information on cleaning silver, discerning between silver and silverplate and on how to read English silver hallmarks. Would it be more acceptable to link directly to one of these pages, like for instance...

http://www.silver-collector.com/cleaning-silver-vf5.html

http://www.silver-collector.com/topic30.html#52

http://www.silver-collector.com/topic4.html

The majority of the other links on the page are to commercial websites. I'm surprised that my link was removed and theirs were not.

I fully understand your opinion that generally it would be unacceptable to link to forums from wikipedia, but as the content of this forum is relevant and I believe many uses investigating sterling silver would be interested in getting help researching silver hallmarks, would you consider allowing the entry to return??

When I added the entry to sterling silver, I also added one to 'hallmarks'. If you believe that the entry is inappropriate, I will remove that entry as well.

I won't argue with your decision

Regards

Jonathan 217.42.65.9 15:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan,
Inserting links to promote your own web sites, or for promotional purposes at all, is strongly discouraged. See Wikipedia:External links as a starting point. I didn't have time when I removed your like to see if others were inappropriate, but I will return and weed out any others that seem promotional as well. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't think you understand how this works

When no one posts, I have nothing to say. You could perfectly well prevent me from posting by not posting yourself. Instead, you felt it necessary to post an attack on me in order to ask other people not to respond to me. --Ideogram 17:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion needed

Hey, there is a bit of an edit war going on in the external links section of The World Can't Wait and Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. The talk pages of each include the relevant info (although posts keep getting removed, so you may need to look in the history. It seems to me that User:In the Stacks has an axe to grind with Chuck Munson (which appears to be mutual) and as such is refusing to allow any links to Chuck's website infoshop.org. This isn't going anywear, so I thought I'd ask an uninvolved party for their opinion. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 04:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I can understand your weariness about Chuck adding them in, but as he explained, In the Stacks and others (anons, probably the same person) have removed any links to infoshop.org on those pages in the past. I myself put one in a long time ago and the same sort of thing happened between me and an anon. As a result, Chuck made a page specifically to document anarchist opposition to the group and linked to it. I agree that someone else should have probably put it in, but that's neither here nor there. What matters is that in addition to Chuck, 3 other anarchists agree that the link makes sense to put there. (User:Fightindaman, myself and User:Sarge Baldy, an admin). I will say that our being anarchists may bias us towards wanting to include a link of that nature (ie, an anarchist criticism of the RCP), which may or may not belong there, but I can say that if we think that is an appropriate kind of link to have, infoshop.org's page would be a good one due to infoshop's notability and prominence within the anarchist movement. As for inaccurate material, I've tried to ask In the Stacks to point out their specific objection to the contents, but they keep avoiding the issue, throwing around accusations without anything to back them up. The idea of having the link is to show that people, and not just pro-capitalist anti-commies don't like the RCP. As for OR, I'm not really sure. If we can't have external links to sites that have OR, how are we ever supposed to have external links to various opinions on the topic. Isn't that one of the goals of the external links section? Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 02:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
This isn't quite the issue. Munson is attempting to place incorrect information that is a) not signed and, b) not sourced. This is the very definition of verifiability, anarchist or otherwise. There is other criticism on each of these pages, but without an author to claim responsibility for potentionally libelous comments (particularly regarding funding, "control", etc.) is irresponsible. I have begun to identify numerous places where similar unverifiable articles have been posted on a variety of entries. I do not know Munson and have never met him. He appears to have many axes grinding.In the Stacks

[edit] Cockpit-in-Court

Ahem. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Very well done! I removed your overly humble stub tag come on! See http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0415197856&id=eyJI-DXF9d8C&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=inigo+jones+cockpit-in-court&sig=WSuyVvUWAmGxIP8UB-WexT8BWQw for a print source I had my eye on for the topic at one time; lots of architectural details. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm sure there is more to say, and it has been on my redlink list for some time (burgeoning at the moment).
I can never get the hang of these new-fangled google things, and they always tell me that I don't have access. I suppose I ought to use paper versions of the books instead, but I generally just make do with the good old-fashioned internet! -- ALoan (Talk) 16:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 10 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elm Farm Ollie, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Peta 22:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

User talk:ALoan#Unspecified source for Image:Seacole - Challen.jpg - would I be better off having my image deleted and just copying this image from the NPG website? -- ALoan (Talk) 13:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I also believe it is rude to use other people's work without crediting them. Regards Arniep 20:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, how do you explain the fact that when every other reputable publication uses images such as this it pays the appropriate fee to the people who own the rights to that image (and credits them), the revenue from which goes to ensure the conservation of that work and many others? I can only assume Wikipedia is not in fact a reputable publication. Regards Arniep 20:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The person who needs to be credited (the painter) is already! What kind of rights do you think are possessed by the owner of the painting, or the NPG, or the publisher or author of the book? The material is public domain - that means that anyone can use it for any purpose without crediting anyone. The NPG receives government funding - I can understand it wanting to raise further funds for its laudable aims, but you don't have to pay to use PD works. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I can't believe I am reading this Arniep do you have an idea which direction you are coming from. You say "the revenue from which goes to ensure the conservation of that work and many others" How many sites do you imagine displaying the Mona Lisa are contributing to The Louvre, its upkeep and restoration of its collection. These works are public domain by virtue of their age. There is no copyright. which is why so many sites are reproducing them in the first place Giano 21:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually Giano if you look at most other reputable publications you will see next to a photograph of an old painting it gives credit to the rights holder, usually a museum or photo library, usually a small fee being paid which will go towards the conservation of that painting. I don't see why Wikipedia, if it is purporting to be a respectable publication, can say that it will behave differently from all the others. Arniep 22:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
What "rights"? -- ALoan (Talk) 01:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Bridgeman v. Corel established in the US that reproducers of public domain two-dimensional works have no new rights to those reproduction. This is the law. I agree that it is polite and sensible to mention what source a particular reproduction was gleaned from but it is not a question of respectability or law. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, as long as we are clear that Wikipedia does not respect the work of others (regardless of U.S. law) and does not help with the conservation of works shown on its website by donating to the establishments which look after them. Regards, Arniep 17:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I surrender

I will comply, unblock my talkpage please--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 14:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Salisbury Court Theatre

!! Not mine, I hasten to add... -- ALoan (Talk) 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow! A newcomer...? Writing about historical London theatres? Wow. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. I will try to add some more to the new article, with a view to DYK. User:Ugajin needs to be gently encouraged. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Look at this. Wow indeed. I missed nominating Salisbury Court Theatre for the Main Page, but I think I will do one of the others. Whitefriars Theatre? William Beeston? Lady Elizabeth's Men? Joseph Taylor (17th-century actor)? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Color-blind?

Color-blind, is it? OK...how about now? Still color-blind? Bishonen | talk 02:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC).

The goggles do nothing to stop the epileptic attack! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Illegal foods CfD debate

Hi, so you're the person responsible for Casu marzu? Hehe, to that I say, 'have some nice Klingon gaack' (or technically "qagh") [4].
You mentioned at User talk:Juhtolv that you liked his creation of Category:Illegal foods. It's under a CfD at
Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_15#Category:Illegal_foods
I not only liked it, but I wrote a number of reasons why I think it's important for readers to understand how the food laws are being globally used and misused; for example, a USA ban on commercial recipe use of Stevia herbal sweetener during an obesity pandemic.
The CfD nominator thinks the cat could become too large, but I'm not convinced that's either true or a valid objection. The regulars did persuaded me that the category is misnamed for technical specificity. So I've proposed a rename/recreate of Category:Foods selectively or conditionally prohibited for sale.
So far, I'm the only supporter for a rename/recreate, but maybe you could support that option? Unless there is some additional support, it could get deleted under the rename/recreate as well. Milo 03:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link

Here you go. As far as I can tell, accusing people of being psychotic, needing psychiatric help is still covered by WP:CIVIL. --Centauri 02:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Also covered by WP:CIVIL is just about every comment you've made about DreamGuy, including the one he was responding to there, where you call him an abusive deceiver. Everybody needs to knock it off. You and your buddies (and whichever of them may or may not be sockpuppets) really appear to have a vendetta. It is too bad DreamGuy likely was sockpuppeting way back when, but it doesn't do much to excuse your harrassment campaign at this point. Lay off. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The difference between my comments about DreamGuy and his about me is that mine are true. His actions are abusive. He is a liar. These are facts fully documented extensively throughout Wikipedia in his edit history. On the other hand, his accusing me of being psychotic, of requiring psychiatric treatment, of harrassing him and of being a problem editor have no substance at all. You need to deal with the problem here, not those trying to address the problem. --Centauri 23:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka

Thanks for catching and fixing my inadvertent deletions so quickly. That's a sadly divisive AfD (with some overly harsh words by otherwise good editors on both sides) so I'm glad you were able to catch it before it could mistakenly be ascribed to some ulterior motive. --A. B. 19:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, no problem at all. Weird glitches like that catch all of us once in a while. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

(followup) Thank you for participating in my recent RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate that you took the time to comment, and I paid close attention to your thoughts, as I do find it a valuable thing to understand how I am perceived by others in the Wikipedia community. If there is anything that I can do in the future to help further address your concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. --Elonka 09:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In response to your email

Yes, I did send you that email. I'll be putting something up about this get-together over the weekend. -- llywrch 22:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Llywrch! Looking forward to it! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
You can now find the WikiMeetup info at Wikipedia:Meetup/Portland 1. (I called it #1 because I'm hoping there will be a #2.) -- llywrch 01:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thewolfstar

i believe wolfy is back at anarchism under the guise of the user "doctor without suspenders". i'm not sure how to properly report shit like this so i figured i would tell you. piece, Blockader 19:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I reviewed it, Bunch. Unmistakable. I've written the user a letter.[5] Bishonen | talk 20:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] London history template

  • Heh! Fantastic! Thank you very much!
  • Uh, could you think again about the Olympic Games, though? They add two lines of height, double that of any other category. The information is marginal, as in "who cares". And if some crazed sports otaku should actually be looking for it, it's surely easy to find without representation here (who'd come here to look for it?). Bishonen | talk 10:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC).
    • Who'd come there to look for any of that? Certainly something must be done about the waste of space, though. Hmm... —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Unfactual"

Thanks for your response. However, I stand by my statements, with the verifiable links I provided. Your statement about Elonka's participation, where it came to Lost, was misleading at best. -- PKtm 20:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Hi Bunchofgrapes! Immediately after my reversion of Giano's thinly veiled personal attack, I dropped him a line on his talk page explaining my revert. I hope this helps clear things up! hoopydinkConas tá tú? 20:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack? On who? Some hypothetical admin to be determined at a later time?! Leaving even that aside, WP:RPA is contested and the revert button is for things like vandalism. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you. When are we going to stop promoting these unqualified junior admins, or at least keeping them under restraint until they know what is what. Giano 20:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Um, let people make an occassional mistake without attacking them, would you please, Giano? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • No I won't! There are too many "occasional mistakes" by incompetent admins on this site, and it is about time some-one taught them how to be admins, if necessary me! Giano 20:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but could we perhaps consider doing so in a location other than my arbitration-page thread about John Reid's ban. I'm trying to accomplish something there and I think it would be helpful to try to keep that thread free of other matters, however meritorious. Regards, Newyorkbrad 21:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • After the whole sorry business of this RFA and all the pages that have been written, do you think appealing to the better nature of an Arbcom member is going to work. You must have either infinite patience or a touching belief in mankind. The arbcom have not read one word of them, so they are unlikely to start reading now. Just look they are voting to delete my block log, when it is quite clear the developer has said he will not do it. Little admins are still popping up, nothing has changed and nothing ever will unless someone shouts and shouts and even then I have my doubts. Yes let's show our distaste for John Reid's block, but let's not forget that is far from being the only thing wrong at the end of the RFA Giano 21:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
One arbitrator changed his position today, actually, and without flattering myself that I have a great deal of influence over the committee or any of its members, I don't think this was a complete coincidence, either. As for the business about the block log, I still think it was/is meant as a gesture of conciliation toward you, however ineffectual and belated it might be. But enough of this: how is the tracing of the Grant genealogy going? Newyorkbrad 22:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
It is going very well, in fact..... No! don't try and sidetrack me, if that is "conciliation" it's a bit bloody late in the day not to mention hollow, they should have thought about "conciliation" before allowing Carnildo to be re-sysoped and all the other unplesantness, I note Ms Martin is still being thanked, so at least there is something to laugh at in this whole mess. I know you mean well, the world seems to be full of people meaning well and tonight they seem more prevalent than usual, so I'm going to bed before I meet anymore of them. Giano 22:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)



(edit conflict) Indeed, I should have used a personalised edit summary. Sorry for the confusion. My revert was due to the inappropriate and obvious snarky comment made about admins who are barely able to string two word together in an article and are hoping to curry favour and eventually be arbcommers themselves who will be only too delighted to execute the orders from above. The entire comment is unwarranted and seems to have been made for no other reason but to instigate and antagonise, as it certainly doesn't have anything to due with the case itself. Simply because one is involved in an ArbCom or any other dispute resolution case does not give him/her license to rant nonsensically. I thought it best to simply remove the silliness, with the hopes of heading any conflict off at the pass, so to speak. Again, apologies for not making my intentions clear in the edit summary by using the rollback button. Giano, apologies to you as well, as I didn't intend to cause you any stress; I simply hoped to remove your comment with the hopes of allieviating any potential conflict (seems a bit ironic, though, no?) hoopydinkConas tá tú? 21:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)