Talk:Bunny Lee

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Contents 1 Documentary 2 Personal info 3 Photo fair use 4 Books used as sources 5 Jamaican record producers 6 Link to Video with Interview of Bunny Lee and His musicians

[edit] Documentary

I wrote to filmmaker Tom Oldham, mentioned in one of the EL's as working on a Bunny Lee documentary, asking about progress. Here's his reply:

Thanks for your mail, have a stack of amazing footage from 2 shoots in JA but no editor as yet so a bit of a struggle to get a final piece out for display. Think we'll sit on it for a wee while. Have some amazing characters, Johnny Clarke, King Stitt, U-Roy, Cedric Myton, and loads more.

Wwwhatsup 09:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal info

Need to format article to add personal info. Listing info until I can format page.

Among Lee's children is the gospel singer, Errol Lee.Upsetterfc 04:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo fair use

Give thanks for your work. I tried to save the photo from deletion by giving a fair-use rationale but apparently it is insufficient as long as it is possible that a 'free' equivalent might be found. See article (1) of WP:NFCC. Wwwhatsup 20:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Books used as sources

One question and one comment on sources.

1. The Virgin Encyclopedia of Reggae hasn't been updated in years. It is often innaccurate as well, is there another source for the info?

2. Which edition of the Reggae guide did you use?

Upsetterfc 13:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I have the first 'Virgin' edition as well as the older 'Guinness' version. I agree it's not ultra-reliable, but is not bad as reggae sources go. The Rough Guide includes reference to Lee working for Lack, but doesn't mention specific recordings from that period.--Michig 19:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to ask if you have access to Roots Knotty Roots, a project that compiles Jamaican recordings from 1950-1985? They are generally the gold standard on release info. They credit the track "Listen To The Beat" to Ken Lack (B. Calnek) in 1967. Production credit is usually given to the person who pays for the release. Bunny Lee probably served as engineer, but isn't considered a "producer" for that track. Records issued on Caltone in Jamaica and the UK were Ken Lack productions.

Upsetterfc 14:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have a copy - although I keep looking - RKR is probably correct, my guess is that Lee supervised/engineered the session(s) for Lack so is 'producer' in the non-reggae sense, but you're right, he wasn't the producer in the way the word is generally used in reggae. I think the text needs rewording to reflect this, and the RKR reference put back in - I'll have a go at this unless you want to give it a go. Thanks.--Michig 19:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The RKR db I use was published much later than the last edition of the book. You might still be able to buy a copy from ErnieB's. I will take a look at a few books and see if there's any added info before I put the RKR reference back. Upsetterfc 19:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I've already gone ahead and re-added it (before I saw your reply), but if you think anything needs changing, please go ahead. Thanks - I'll check out Ernie B's.--Michig 19:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Going slightly off topic, the current Record producer article only really covers the non-reggae meaning of the term - I wonder if the Jamaican meaning needs adding there or whether a separate article needs creating? I'll see if I can find a good ref before doing anything.--Michig 20:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jamaican record producers

This can turn into a topic of its own.

The basics are that the owner of the recording is generally considered the producer in Jamaica. But many owners also had experience as engineers as well. This is considered common knowledge amongst people familiar with Jamaican music, but I'm sure that most books on Jamaican music have a section that explains the concept in detail. I'll see what I find provided I'm not soothing a teething baby tonight.Upsetterfc 20:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link to Video with Interview of Bunny Lee and His musicians

Why in God's name would this be deleted. What better source is there than a man talking about his music and his life. Many of the musicians featured on your page are also interviewed in this video clip. I am going to reverse it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.96.151 (talk)

Well, it's not in God's name, but in the decidedly secular name of Wikipedia's copyright policy. As clearly noted here linking to copyrighted media can be considered contributory infringement under US law. Speaking as the person who actually digitized the clip in question from a VHS of the 1982 Deep Roots TV series, I can assert that no permission was sought or given. At the time the series wasn't otherwise available, however it has now been released on DVD by Screen Edge in the UK, and is widely available via Amazon etc. Linking to that has to be sufficient. Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that no permission was given to link to the Youtube clip or that the people (MANY) who posted it on Youtube did not have your permission to post it there? How can linking to something be considered to be copyright infringement? I can understand if someone posted something on here (e.g. videoclip, audio clip, or text) that was copyrighted but merely a link? I believe that you are in error.

BTW, there are a number of people who have uploaded those clips to Youtube. So you may want to check it out as they are in violation of your copyright if that is indeed your videoclip. I would think that you would be more interested in people posting your work rather than just linking to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.96.151 (talk)

What I am saying is that Wikipedia policy precludes linking directly to copyright infringing material. YouTube has it's own policy that is not relevant here. I am not claiming any ownership on the clip in question, but merely stating - as the person who originally encoded it - that no permission from the copyright holder was ever obtained for it's dissemination. Now that the program has been released on DVD the owner's rights should be respected, as should Wikipedia's policies Wwwhatsup (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)