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[edit] Great Site
This site does the martial arts community a great service. Personally, I think something like this should have been started way back in 1996 or earlier even.
[edit] Video
How very very sad. I posted a totally attributable comment and link and it was removed and cited as vandalism
"Additionally, recently several people have claimed that bullshido.net staff member have failed to attend challenges that they themselves have set up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRrflmuIT-s "
They can't take criticism and when they get it they run and hide.
And then like the sad lonely little children they are they try to ban anyone who criticises them from bullshido. Some brave open martial artists this lot, give it out in spade but can't take any of it back. LOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.39.107 (talk • contribs)
- Attributable to what? It's a video of a guy in a car park, and some unreadable forum posts from an undisclosed forum & thread, go read about reliable sources and also external links.
P.s. there is a link to criticisms of the site at the bottom for people to read & make there own minds up.--Nate1481(t/c) 10:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Media Citations & Origin of Bullshido (as a word)
To repeat the three main ones:
1. 'It's Greek to him', Thomas Becnel, Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 24th January 2004 - e.g., "At the bullshido.com Web site, "dedicated to exposing fraud and b.s. in the martial arts," anonymous contributors rage back and forth. It's no-holds-barred debate."
2. 'Attorney dismisses accounts as fiction', Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News, 25th February 2006 - e.g., "This week, Browning, 38, posted on the Web site Bullshido.net an exhaustive dissection of Bannon's published claims, which he has investigated over the past two years."
3. 'The man who lied about everything', Tommy Tomlinson, Charlotte Observer, 25th June 2006 - e.g., "A Connecticut lawyer named Samuel Browning runs a Web site called Bullshido.net, which exposes people who inflate their martial arts credentials." (though it should be noted that the site is actually run by Neal 'Phrost' Fletcher, not Browning)
Reason I bring this up again is that there is now (sort of) a fourth one, but it may merely be a coincidence, as I don't think it refers to the site (would this perhaps be relevant to the Bullshido article that discusses the term rather than the site?). In the course of The Bulletin, 'The rising sun scree', 27th March 2007, Volume 125, No. 13 (what looks to be mainly comic in tone, or at least that's the intention. Also, might be 'screen' rather than 'scree', which would make more sense, but thats how its come through on the search engine):
- "Japanese military tradition is based on the code of 'bullshido'. The Japanese practise warfare by ancient, formal ritual, involving tea ceremonies, and use prisoners for bayonet practice only after the tea things are washed up and put away. The Australian military traditionally drinks a lot of tea also."
Similar to the earliest use of 'bullshido', as part of a competition in another Australian newspaper, The Sydney Morning Herald, in the 'Stay in Touch' column from 26th February 1990. The idea of the contest was to come up with a name for a proposed Japanese 'super-city' on Australian soil, of which the 10 best entries were judged to be:
- "Nohwhere (D Simpson), Yenitch Village (S Faust), Japocalypse Now (J Monro), Cum-A-Cropolis (K Wilson), Pretty Poli (M Smith), Bullshido (A Griffith), Billy Can Valley (T Horler), Bonsai Beach (H Bell), Perhapsburg (C Wheildon), and Oh What A Feeling - That's my Multi Function Polis (F Elliott)." Slideyfoot 09:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
Let's make sure we have proof this is the MOST popular198.24.31.120 20:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Does this necessitate a Wikipedia entry
I'm impressed by the volume of content in this article, but is the website so notable that it deserves a Wikipedia entry? I'm willing to concede that the concept of martial arts fakery (bullshido) deserves a Wikipedia entry, and that this is different from [McDojo]], which is a "belt factory" sort of business. Still, I doubt the need for a separate article on the website itself. Here are my reasons:
- Websites should only be included when particularly notable: see Wikipedia:Notability. "The primary criterion for notability, that applies in all fields, is that an article's subject is notable if it has been the subject of non-trivial published works by multiple separate sources that are independent of that subject itself." (User:Uncle_G/On_notability#The_primary_notability_criterion)
- The article was created by scb_steve, a "designated representative for Bullshido.net", and largely edited by site owner Phrost
- Since it's only largely of interest to people who have visited the website, wouldn't this information be better presented on the website itself?--Jonathan Drain 14:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[http://www.jonnydigital.com JD
- The notability of the article has already been debated and decided. The website was mentioned in an article discussing the arrest and conviction of David "Race" Bannon. This article is of greater interest to the Wikipedia community as a whole, not just members of the website. --Scb steve 02:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Martial arts is very specific category; the overall big-boards ranking is merely #976. The notability of the website seems derived from a few newspaper mentions and an Alexa rank; put bullshido.net into the graph on the Alexa front page, alongside 4chan.org, forums.somethingawful.com and slashdot.org, and it becomes apparent that other sites like these are in a wholly separate weight class than bullshido.net. It's also the case that talk pages on web communities tend to attract members of those communities in greater proportions than Wikipedia editors in general, which can skew votes when it comes to VfD. (However, this thread has caught my interest sufficiently that I won't recommend the article for removal. --Jonathan Drain 22:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[1])
- The notability of the article has already been debated and decided. The website was mentioned in an article discussing the arrest and conviction of David "Race" Bannon. This article is of greater interest to the Wikipedia community as a whole, not just members of the website. --Scb steve 02:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
