Talk:Bulava (missile)

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Just a note for when this article is cleaned up and expanded: "The first in-flight test launch was conducted September 27, 2005 from the Dmitry Donskoi, a Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine." From RIA Novosti at [1] Hope it's useful somehow. Oceanhahn 01:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Added it in. Rmhermen 15:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh, why does it say the September 27th test ended in failure when the cited news article says it and another test were successful. Seems like Rmhermen is trying to promote an anti-Russian bias. --Skyler Streng 17:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Because it failed, that's why. Actually, several officers were fired or reprimanded for leaking this fact to the media. I also heard that Summer 2007 test was also less than fully successful: while missile didn't break up on lauch, as is all three 2006 tests, and flew all the distance, RVs didn't hit the target. Buth then it might be the airframe test, to check whether the errors were indeed corrected, and not the complete run. --Khathi 16:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor edit

I have noted in the article that the claimed ability to survive a nuclear blast 500m away is rubbish. Both the physical shock and the radiation would suffice to ruin the warhead quite sufficiently at that distance. Jtrainor 22:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no atmosphere in the space, you know. And so, no significant shock wave and "physical shock" from any blast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Necator (talk • contribs) 18:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

What's your point? The only ABMs that use nuclear warheads detonate in-atmosphere. Jtrainor 17:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The only chance for ABM to destroy ICBM is to do so before it will release several warheads + much more decoys. And ICBM will d so in the space on upper part of its trajectory.

What about "The only ABMs that use nuclear warheads detonate in-atmosphere." see this.

Anyway, before deleting phrase "its physically impossible" can you pls provide the calculations, that will clearly show that its physically impossible for any material to survive such conditions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Necator (talk • contribs) 23:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't need to do that. Since you (and the Russians) are claiming that it's possible, it's up to them to prove it. Unsourced information may be removed at any time. Jtrainor 02:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually that was your claim, that "its physically impossible". So prove pls somehow that its really "physically impossible" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Necator (talk • contribs) 18:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

As a hitherto uninvolved editor, I agree with User:Necator: both the assertion that the Russians claim this capability and any assertion that this capability would be physically impossible should be sourced and, absent sourcing, either can be removed at any time. Sarcasticidealist 21:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

QED-- the missile is claimed to have those abilities. The information did not just pop out of thin air as fact. Jtrainor 00:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Er, did anyone actually read the reference cited concerning those capabilities? It even states that the Russian claims are dubious... MalikCarr 01:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're getting at, User:Jtrainor - obviously the information didn't pop out of thin air. It popped out of the mouth of some Russian military type, who made the claim, which is then reproduced in this article (as a claim, not as a fact). What do you see as being the problem here? Sarcasticidealist 04:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

That a claim is being presented as fact, instead of a claim. This is the core of the issue. Jtrainor 21:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

(outdent) Ah - when I first commented, it was portrayed as a claim - I hadn't noticed that User:Necator subsequently deleted that language. I've re-inserted the wording "designed to be", which is the language found in the source and which I think makes clear that it hasn't actually ever been tested in this regard. Sarcasticidealist 22:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Ive once checked the contributions made by Jtrainor, and realize that he is pushing his ant-russian bias to several articles about russian military. Thats why ive started to clean this out. Necator 22:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not certain what you're getting at, but I think the current state of the article is fine. Changing it to portray the missile's ability to withstand a nuclear blast would be inappropriate (without a credible source saying unequivacolly that the missile *does* have this capability), as would inserting a claim that such an ability is physically impossible (unless a source can be found for this claim). Are you both satisfied with the current version of the article? Sarcasticidealist 22:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Works for me. Actually the only thing i'd like to remove is the claims about physical impossibility. Thanks for your help to resolve it! Necator 22:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)