Talk:Bugle (instrument)

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I looked for "clarion", came to an article about bugles, without any reference to clarions at all. That means I still don't know what a clarion is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.241.59.167 (talk • contribs)

See Clarion (instrument) for Wikipedia article. --Dbolton 08:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 The cornet is sometimes erroneously considered to be the "valved version" of the bugle, although it was derived from the French cornet de poste (post horn). 2 Bugles and Keyed Bugles 3 Valved Bugles 4 Keyed Bugles 5 Template

[edit] The cornet is sometimes erroneously considered to be the "valved version" of the bugle, although it was derived from the French cornet de poste (post horn).

Perhaps, from a historical perspective, the cornet is not a valved bugle. However, from a musical perspective, perhaps it is not erroneous to consider a cornet to be a valved bugle. If it is erroneous, why is it erroneous.

Also, the concept of a "keyed" bugle is difficult for me to envision. Are there any pictures of a keyed bugle? Keys with regard to wind instruments, make me think of oboe keys and clarinet keys. In my mind, perhaps erroneously, it draws the assumption of tone holes in the body, rather than changes of tubing length.

Do (or did) the keys of a keyed bugle add or shorten tubing length, or do they make changes in the blowing length by changes in the instrument's surface.

My impression is that, a keyed bugle is a keyed cornet, from a non historical perspective. Unless a keyed bugle is a valved bugle, in which case, it would appear to actually be a cornet.

I seem to recall mention of Stravinsky wanting to use, or using a keyed bass bugle. That would suggest that it is NOT a cornet, unless it was just a lower pitch that he sought.

Anyway, after reading the articles on cornet, bugle, keyed bugle, and post horn, I still think a cornet is a valved bugle.

If I am wrong, I would certainly like to know why.

Thank you for the wonderful articles.

Ryo-17 09:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The article states that bugles have no valves, but how does one account for those used by modern-day Drum & Bugle Corps? Like the valve-less bugles described in the article, they are in the key of G, but they have 1 to 3 valves, depending on their age (the earliest ones having a single value, followed by models with 2, and eventually models with 3 valves which lower the pitch of the instument by the same interval as those on any other valved brass instrument). Additionally, Drum Corps bugles come in a variety of sizes- from the soprano (similar in size to the valve-less bugle pictured in the article) all the way to the contra bass, which looks similar to a concert tuba. They're all keyed in G, and all considered bugles...

[edit] Bugles and Keyed Bugles

I suggest that you contact two people: (1) Ralph Dudgeon, a professor at UNY at Cortland, dudgeonr@cortland.edu, who has written a wonderful book on the subject and who is one of the world's foremost soloists on the keyed bugle; and (2) Robert Eliason, roberteliason@verizon.net, now retired, who plays a variety of low brass instruments, including the ophicleide, and is a well-respected music historian.

User:Waynefc 14:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valved Bugles

As keyed bugles began to fade from popularity, some manufacturers, such as E. G. Wright, Quinby and other makers in Boston (and elsewhere), added two or three rotary valves to the leadpipe while using a bell that was similar to that employed on a keyed bugle. These instruments, primarily in Eb, are sometimes referred to as valved bugles, although most would refer to them as rotary valved cornets. The modern flugelhorn uses a similar arrangement with piston valves.

Waynefc 14:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC) 14:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keyed Bugles

There are any number of pictures of keyed bugles available on the internet. They have tone holes, keys and pads, much like woodwind instruments. Tuning was accomplished by the insertion of pipes of various legnths called bits or, later, by the use of a telescoping pipe adjusted with a vernier thumbwheel. Keyed trumpts were also manufactured and the Haydn Trumpet Concerto and another by Hummel were written for such an instrument. There is a separate article in Wikipedia for the keyed trumpet.

Waynefc 14:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template

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