Talk:Buffy Sainte-Marie

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[edit] What is Oriental Philosophy?

As long as I do not know the answer, I cannot find a suitable expression for the German version of the article. "Orientalische Philosophie" is just a verbatim translation, which I cannot find anywhere else. PSE take into account, that "oriental" refers to things of more or less Arabian origin, most of the time, in our language...

A discussion in the English/German language forum at LEO's would not provide me with a satisfactory translation.

PSE help, if you can. Have a laugh, if you cannot.., the sun is shining.
--Psycho Chicken 11:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Request cancelled,
the solution was found in the discussion at
LEOs.--Psycho Chicken 21:26, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Verification is needed for the claim that Ms. Sainte-Marie holds a Ph.D in Fine Arts from the University of Massachusetts. The terminal degree for a professional artist is usually an MFA. I know several people who have associations with UMass and who hold PhD's in Art History/Fine Arts (the latter sometimes meaning studio art and sometimes Art History, depending on the institution) who have never heard that Sainte-Marie shares their degree. Can anyone come up with documentation?68.72.110.24 02:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm ... Not sure why "Verification is needed for the claim ...", but I see that Marcellette G. Williams, Chancellor and Professor of English and Comparative Literature there stated in her 'Remarks from the New Student Convocation, September 2, 2001': "Then there is Buffy Sainte-Marie, born on a Cree reservation in Saskatchewan, Canada. We know her songs – "Up Where We Belong," "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" – these and others have been recorded by Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, Tracy Chapman, Elvis Presley. Buffy has a Ph.D. in Fine Arts from UMass." http://www.umass.edu/pastchancellors/williams/announcements/convocation2001.html Bhasi23 (talk) 11:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gemini Award

I have added info about her Gemini Award and linked the page to the Gemini Award winners category.

[edit] Covered songs

Does anyone know which songs of hers were covered by any of the artists mentioned on her page (Chet Atkins, Cher, Neil Diamond, Donovan, Janis Joplin, Taj Mahal, Elvis Presley and Barbra Streisand) I am interested Rachel Ayres 02:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I've updated the article to show who did some of what, but I can't track them all down. Rodparkes 02:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I note that someone has changed "Sonny and Cher" to "Cher" in the list of those who have covered "Until It's Time For You To Go". Buffy's own website says Sonny and Cher - can someone verify the accuracy of this change?

Just noticed I forgot to sign the previous comment. Anyway, I have now confirmed that Cher recorded the song - it's included on her "Greatest Hits" album on Fuel 2000, released in 2005 (see http://www.answers.com/topic/greatest-hits-vol-1-rock-album-24?cat=entertainment). I have therefore removed the "citation needed" from Cher's name in the article. However, I don't believe it actually was a hit for her - maybe a B-side.

There's a list of other artists who have recorded the song at http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/u/untilitstimeforyoutogo.shtml - not all are listed in the article, but I think it would be too much to try to be comprehensive. Rodparkes 05:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Now That The Buffalo's Gone"

page info indicates this song was initially released in 1967 - it was the first track on BSM's first album, "It's My Way", released 1964 - weed@wussu.com 82.34.22.145 08:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possble discrepancies in article / more info possibly needed

I have read many articles on Ms. Sainte-Marie that say she was married to a gentleman named Dewaine Bugbee and that she has one son. Neither is mentioned in the article. Also, though all sources mention her personal and professional association with Mr. Nitsche, I never read in any other source that they were married. This apparent discrepancy puzzles me.

I think there ought to be some mention in this page about Ms. Sainte-Marie's life as an activist for various causes including Native American rights.

Tom

The Wikipedia article on Jack Nitzsche gives the date of Buffy's marriage to him as 1983, which makes more sense. According to Jimmy McDonough's Neil Young bio "Shakey," Nitzsche was involved with Young's ex, Carrie Snodgress, at least up until 1979 - when he was arrested for a violent assault on her. Which is all to say, I think that wedding date needs to be fact-checked.
Randy
The site http://nativeamericanrhymes.com/women/sainte-marie.htm says, "Although performers are public people, some are able to maintain their privacy, and Sainte-Marie has succeeded in keeping her offstage life to herself. It is known that in 1967 she married Dewaine Kamaikalani Bugbee, a man of Hawaiian, American Indian, and European ancestry. It is believed that she has an adult son, Cody Starblanket. She has also been linked with the composer-musician Jack Nitzche and the actor Sheldon Peters Wolfchild."
So successful has Buffy been at keeping her private life private that even the numerous online biographies of her frequently differ on the essential facts -even her birthdate is variously given as 1941 or 1942. However, the following timeline seems plausible:
  • 1967 - married Hawaiian surfing instructor Dewaine (or Dewain) Kamaikalani Bugbee. The marriage apparently ended in 1972, though she continued to live in Hawaii.
  • 1975 - was involved with, and possibly married, actor Sheldon Peters Wolfchild. He has an IMDB entry (with little personal information), but no Wiklipedia entry as yet, although he's mentioned in several other entries. From the name, I assume he's also a native American.
  • 1976 - gave birth to her son Dakota Starblanket Wolfchild (presumably Sheldon's son), who appeared with her on Sesame Street.
  • early 1980s - as one source says, "Some obituaries of (Jack) Nitzsche reported that he and Sainte-Marie were briefly married in the early 1980s". IMDB gives the marriage dates as 19 March 1982 until his death in 2000; however another source (http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Jack_Nitzsche/191007) gives the date as March 1981 and says they were later divorced, while Nitzsche's Wikipedia entry says 1983.
So, confusion all round. I have amended the entry for the date of her marriage to Nitzsche, but nothing else seems sure enough to add without additional confirmation.
Biographical sources (some of these list other sources):
Rodparkes 06:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I have citations for three "marriages" (but no mention of Nitzche) though I think she gave up using the term in a legal sense except where children are concerned. For interested folk I *highly* recommend the DVD - Buffy Sainte-Marie: A Multimedia Life - see refs. in article. --Smkolins 22:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1993 Year of Indigenous Peoples

It is interesting that the 'Peoples' is sometimes indeed spelled People! Google hits are about 50 : 50. Hence, I've looked for resources on the net from 1992/1993, and voilà, I did find one good document: http://www.iadb.org/cultural/documents/encuentros/17383_93.3.pdf -andy 80.129.103.62 18:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Now That the Buffalo's Gone

It says that the song "Now That the Buffalo's Gone" is from the Fire & Fleet & Candlelight album, however it was on her first album. She has recorded it several times since but now for the album stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.231.124.80 (talk) 03:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age would be 66 if born in 1941, Feb

Why does the page list age as 65? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radio Guy (talk • contribs) 02:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

It'd be really great if we could get some sources for the censorship section. Even links to other movements which were suppressed in similar ways would help, I think. Also, shouldn't records from that time be de-classified now/soon? Khono (talk) 20:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


I also don't know, when her birthday is...August 2 or February 20? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.56.115 (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)