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Contents 1 Buckshot, Inc. and Template:Buckshot 2 Another reason why this guy should be banned 3 Ramblin' Jack Elliott 4 The new massage 5 User talk pages 6 Blocked

[edit] Buckshot, Inc. and Template:Buckshot

Please don't create articles and templates about yourself. You're welcome to use your user page to say a little about yourself, but Wikipedia isn't a web hosting service. Articles are reserved for encyclopedic topics. Rhobite 05:21, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

The thing about jokes here is that other people have to spend time cleaning up your mess. If your only purpose here is "winding people up", please rethink whether you belong here. Rhobite 05:27, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

You're free to put jokes on your user page. Nonsense articles you create will continue to be deleted. This is an encyclopedia after all, not a humor site. Rhobite 05:35, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism will get you blocked from editing. RickK 05:36, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

I hate to do this, but here's your warning: If you create Buckshot, Inc. one more time I'll block you from editing temporarily. Rhobite 05:37, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Vandalism (Silly vandalism includes joke articles) and Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. I guess you're just pulling my chain, so please knock it off. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. If not, please stop wasting my time. Rhobite 05:45, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another reason why this guy should be banned

To Buckshot:

You just vandalized the Pomona College page with a remark that is inaccurate. If you look at a decent street map that shows city limits, you'll realize that Pomona College is in the city of Claremont, almost a mile east of the city of Pomona. Some things in life are debatable, but apart from the borders of countries, geography generally is not debatable.

Second, while you raise an interesting question, that is the kind of silly philosophical speculation that belongs on a blog. There are already excellent articles on the Greater Los Angeles Area and Los Angeles County on Wikipedia from which people outside of the area can learn about the difficulty of what constitutes L.A. and how the metro area is huge.

When the issue of your banning comes up in the Arbitration Committee---as it will if you keep messing around---I look forward to voting against you.

--Coolcaesar 08:02, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If your contributions to articles were as logically coherent as your argument about censorship, then they wouldn't be a problem. There is a clear difference between censorship and editing.

Go and read the article again, word by word (see close analysis and the New Criticism). It already says at the top that Pomona College was founded in Pomona but moved to Claremont.

Your sentence about the distance of Pomona from Los Angeles isn't really relevant to Pomona College except for the single fact that the college was founded there. That's a rather tenuous connection---the kind of free association a poet would make. An analogous situation would be if I inserted into the UCLA article the following sentence, without any transition before or after it: "Downtown Los Angeles is really far from Oakland." The only way that is relevant to UCLA, of course, is if one is aware that UCLA started in downtown Los Angeles and UC Berkeley started in Oakland (and UC system headquarters is still there).

This style of writing is fine for artists, writers, schizophrenics, drug addicts, and death row inmates trying to write their own appellate briefs, but it's really not very informative.

The last time I checked, Wikipedia was supposed to be a site that directly conveys interesting or useful information (through the subject matter of the prose), not a piece of art (that is designed to indirectly evoke a feeling or thought through the structure of its materials). There are many public wikis and blogs out there if you want to do art.

Finally, like the vast majority of intellectuals, I support free speech in the sense of speaking truth to power. But where a private forum has been provided as a public service by the generosity of a private citizen (Jimbo Wales and the Board of Trustees), on the condition that content published into that forum be constrained by minimum standards of quality (like relevance and internal coherence), I believe it is reasonable to conform one's contributions to such requirements.

Whether you like it or not, in a capitalist society, time is money. The right to free speech is not the right to be heard. People contribute the currency of time as editors and readers to Wikipedia because of a shared expectation of a minimum quality of content; in a Kantian sense, your broad concept of writing cannot be universalized across Wikipedia because then no one would read Wikipedia (when there are many other interesting things competing for their attention). If you don't like that, or the general problem of the overall centralization of the right to be heard in privately controlled hands, that's too bad. No one's successfully implemented a better economic system than capitalism, while also preserving the right to free speech at the same time---for example, Cuba has great health care and educational systems but no free speech.

--Coolcaesar 09:46, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Buckshot, I'm not going to block you from editing unless you continue vandalizing (creating more nonsense articles, as you've done in the past). But I and others will revert any unhelpful changes you make. It's not censorship, it's how Wikipedia works. You may fancy yourself a humorist (I didn't think Buckshot Inc. was funny), but this isn't a humor site. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. It's right there on the edit page. Rhobite 02:39, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ramblin' Jack Elliott

Hey Buckshot, where'd you get the quote you posted in the Ramblin' Jack article? I'd like to attribute it. Thanks. Dave C. 03:31, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It appears to be fabricated. Similar quotes added by Buckshot to Woody Guthrie and Andy Griffith also look like they were made up on the spot. Buckshot, please cut it out. This is vandalism. Rhobite 09:12, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

These quotes, which appear to be fabricated, were given to me by folks from the area in question--folks who wished to remain anonymous, who don't want their privacy disturbed--as an almost-native of Brooklyn, NYC, I have often been astounded by the similarities between speech patterns in NYC and the rural Southeast, and as such I always try to remain true to those speech patterns in my quotes--therefore, I don't "correct" their grammar, because the regional nuances in grammar and usage are interesting, fascinating, funny, and quite often very profound.

Buckshot 05:48, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:No original research. Thanks. Rhobite 15:40, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The new massage

I can't understand what you wrote to me and why you wrote that. Is it nonsense? -- Stevey7788 06:00, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What you put on my talk page is junk. I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm deleting it unless you tell me what you are up to. Thanks -- Stevey7788 06:05, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please make your comments on my talk page at least legible and make them sound like you're not nuts or trolling. Once again, please write something that sounds like human language or I have no idea what you're talking about. -- Stevey7788 06:11, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK. Since you use words like "sh*t," "naked," and "ass," I will delete those troll comments immediately. You're going to be on the Vandalism on Progress page now. -- Stevey7788 06:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User talk pages

Hi, Buckshot. User talk pages are for discussing Wikipedia articles or Wikipedia in general. While there is wide latitude, I don't think posts like this are appropriate. If you have a comment to make, please do it clearly and concisely. Thanks! — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:26, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This, too, is inappropriate. While you may disagree with other users, please do so with civility and respect. — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:28, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I'd also like to point out that I'm from Texas, which isn't part of Appalachia -- maybe you should read up on the region here. I am, however, quite the belle, so I'll let the rest slide. · Katefan0^(scribble) 14:42, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Buckshot. Posting inside jokes to people you know is fine, in general. However, since as you say, they won't make sense to anyone else, please don't leave these sorts of messages for other people. Stevey7788 clearly had no idea what you were trying to say to him (and neither did I). However, even without understanding precisely what you are saying, your comment to Katefan0 appears to be an insult and a personal attack. If it is an inside joke, please use a different one in the future. If you have any questions or wish to discuss this, feel free to leave me a message (but hold the inside jokes, please). — Knowledge Seeker দ 18:21, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Buckshot's suggestion that the slur left on my talk page was an inside joke is ludicrous, just for the record. This person doesn't know me, in real life or otherwise. · Katefan0^(scribble) 18:39, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

You have been blocked for 24 hours for user page vandalism. Your comment to KnowledgeSeeker that you are posting inside jokes is not upheld by people's responses to your posts. Please keep in mind that we are here to produce an encyclopedia. We welcome constructive edits from you after the block expires. SWAdair | Talk 06:40, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)