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[edit] Citizen

"Buckboard (NPOV--we're all citizens somewhere)" Not true one can be a subject, as I suspect the Japanese were and at the time the British were. --Philip Baird Shearer 13:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC

Touché--but for purposes of being killed in a bombing raid, I don't think it's the term most would commonly use. Thanx for the feedback. Buckboard 07:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 13% for major edits and 11% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 122 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 12:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I think your suggestion is an excellent one--and made most courteously. I'm guilty more of spot-editting than anything else--See one mistake, quick correct it, then another, and another, and before you know it--twenty entries. I need to learn to use the sandbox more, too. Thanx for the encouragement and the critique. Buckboard 10:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

It's wonderful to see how polite you are with bots, considering that they can't get insulted. Also I appreciate the opportunity to learn from other people's oversights. Thanks for leaving this in your page. --Woolhiser 17:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Little Hawk Article

I followed a link on this article and noticed that you recently did some clean up on Lakota. Your user page notes that readable English is one of your passions, so I thought I'd mention this article to you. Portions of the Little Hawk article seem almost like a transcription of an oral history. Neat information, but hard to follow. I thought maybe you'd enjoy taking a look at some point. LookNorth 22:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for the suggestion--I will see what I can do, if anything.--Buckboard 07:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC) See the article--I don't believe it was an oral history at all, but an attempt to substitute Little Hawk for Crazy Horse in a copyrighted article featuring the latter--and the article's author may not have been familiar with English idiom. The only way to know for sure is for me to check sources I have on Crazy Horse and his family.--Buckboard 09:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schweinfurt-Regensburg mission

I have listed your article at Portal:Germany/New article announcements (and on the Germany portal). If you write more Germany-related articles, please add them to the announcement page. Thank you, and happy editing! Kusma (討論) 04:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy to do so. Thanx.--Buckboard 09:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter
Issue I - March 2006
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[edit] The Red Shoes

Hello Buckboard1, I run the Powell & Pressburger Appreciation Society. People have debated long and hard as to whether Vicky jumps or falls. Dramatically it makes more sense if she jumps. It was the shoes that led her to her doom. I'll also have to correct that reference to a "neighborhood theater". It may not look much, but it was The Mercury Theatre, Notting Hill and was one of the major places to see ballet in London just after the war. SteveCrook 20:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The lady that winced at the bad record changeover is Dame Marie Rambert. The joke is that the posters mention the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, but don't mention that they'll only be on record. However, regular patrons would know that there's no room for a full orchestra in there. Powell also said that he made the shot of the exterior of the theatre in the rain because that's how he always remembered it. It was an important place though, the home of the first ballet company in the UK, even before Sadler's Wells. Many famous names like Sir Frederick Ashton started off at the Mercury. And of course (in the film) it's at the Mercury that Lermontov sees Vicky giving her all, even in such surroundings, before she realises that he's there. It's that which convinces him that she's right for the part in the TRS ballet. SteveCrook 16:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The main one missing in your Powell & Pressburger education of their Technicolor films seem to be the best of the bunch (IMHO), A Matter of Life and Death. Sadly still only available on video, and only second hand at that, in the US of A. But don't neglect their B&W films either, particularly I Know Where I'm Going! and A Canterbury Tale. Most of their major films are now available on Criterion DVDs with loads of lovely extras. A Canterbury Tale is due to be released next month. All the best SteveCrook 20:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Hamburger Hill

I'd like to write an article on the the 101st operation in the A Shau Valley (Apache Snow) that culminated in the 8-day (or 10-day) battle on Dong Ap Bia. It's my opinion that history has been adjusted a bit in current writings about this battle. I'm new and have not written or edited an article so this will take a little time. Can you offer any help? --Dennis-K 16:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humbert Roque Versace

I would like to personally thank you for the excellent contributions made to the "Humbert Roque Versace" article. Good job! Tony the Marine 05:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Pride

Buckboard, I sense in you a person who is truly proud of being a Native-American. I believe that we can only honor ourselves if we honor those who came before us. That's why I wrote a "List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients article (or list). Have you ever thought about doing the same for the Natiev-Americans who have been awarded the MoH? I know that it would be a great thing to do and maybe you can do it. Poeple should know about the great contributions and sacrifices that Native-Americans have made to society. Just a thought. Tony the Marine 19:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kudos for Medal of Honor work

  • Excellent work on the article and for helping the math impaired come up with the correct totals. How you managed to do the math without resorting to a Clue-like quote, I'll never know.  :)  -- MrDolomite | Talk 19:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] 1st Reconnaissance Squadron

This article has been nominated for GA review. I imagine within a week it will be looked at. It is a very good article but needs a lot of in-line citation and de-redlinked. I believe with a little more work this could become an FA article. Please watch the talk page if you can and assist in correcting any comments from the reviewer.--Oldwildbill 05:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I can put the GANominee tag on it again if you don't mind getting beat up on the article; I think it would give you the diretion to fix up the article or you can tag it for peer review by typing yes in the proper row. I do know it needs a lot of in-line citations. I believe it is a good article but maybe you should check with Looper and see what advice he has.--Oldwildbill 12:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Buckeyes

Hi. I thought you might be interested in creating the 2006 Ohio State Buckeyes football team page since I saw your many edits (creation?) to Ohio State Buckeyes football article (which is looking good). For information on what the page should look like, please see the (developing) format generated by CFBProject at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Yearly team pages format and a (good) example that have been generated using this: 2006 Oklahoma Sooners football team. Since Ohio State is expected to do well this season, this page could be highly visible and useful. If you have questions, feel free to ask me or the project for help. Lastly, the use of logos on this page is currently hotly disputed, so please leave them off for now. --MECU≈talk 15:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Mecu!!! Please don't insult Buckboard1!!! You forgot the critical "State" after Ohio in "Since Ohio *State* is expected to do well this season..."  ;-)
BTW, 37 days and a few hours unttil Ohio State comes into Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium to face the Defending National Champions....Hook 'em Horns! :-) Johntex\talk 23:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Buckboard - I put up a 2006 Ohio State Buckeyes football team page in the same vein as the Oklahoma and/or Michigan pages. I'd love to have your contributions! Davidmac2003 18:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I grew up in San Antonio but matriculated at tOSU. Every other day of the year I flash the Hook'em but this year Troy does to you what Vince did to us last year. Bank it.--Buckboard 05:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

My most sincerest apologies for being lazy and calling Ohio State Ohio. You may simply revel in the fact that your team is better than my team (Colorado). --MECU≈talk 13:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Al Lilley and Jack Ryder

Hi Buckboard. In answer to your question, yes, Lilley was the 1890 coach, just as Ohio State's official list says. I believe Jack Park claimed Ryder was the 1890 coach based on an error in an article (available in University Archives) originally written for a 1964 football program. EVERY other source I've read (including news articles from the time) says Ryder arrived in 1892.--ChicJanowicz 06:53, 7 August 2006

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[edit] WP:TGS and Userboxes

The basic reason for the German solution is that somebody griped that userboxes were taking up too much space in the Template-space, so someone else suggested that instead of just removing all userboxes other than the babel ones, we could just move the boxes to userspace and create redirects. I'm not sure of the logic behind it or how it actually makes a difference...but apparently it does. So, that lead to what is now called the German Solution.

The idea is that you use the move function to move all of the history and data on the userboxes to some user's personal space on WP. Move also creates redirects automatically, so the user pages that already point to the boxes don't change in appearance. I think the final step of the process is to use auto-wiki-browser or some other scripting tool to then change all the links on the user pages to point to the userspace and then get rid of the redirect, but I'm not sure on that. So, to actually answer your questions: no, the userbox will not disappear and your user page will not change its look. Hope that addresses your concerns, if not, drop by my talk page and ask whatever you want. z4ns4tsu\talk 02:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Academic Awards for Buckeyes

I just wanted to briefly thank you for your work on the Buckeyes and Buckeye Football articles. It's a great addition to wikipedia and the "family" of articles related to Ohio State University. --Sam Harmon 20:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bonds

Nice job or rewording the lead on Bonds' NL and MLB career home run record status. When I brought it up to date after seeing both recent home runs on mlb.com streaming video late at night on the East Coast, I was too tired to deal with the awkwardness of how I left the revised sentence. So thank you.

I find in interesting that you follow both Bonds and the Archers! I appreciate the wide spectrum along which you apply your evident sensibilities! TrueC 04:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for the kind words.--Buckboard 10:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Ohio State Buckeyes football

In reply to your post on my talk page, sorry your edits got reverted. I am doing a recent change Patrol and working to remove vandlism which your changes truely are not. Most likely it was a large ammount of text removed with out comment as to way. Either way I am sorry and feel free to revert them or I could also do it. TheRanger 22:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] JV 44

Can you name another fighter squadron (non-German) with more accumulated victories? I am interested to know it. Mfields1 12:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I won't revert your edit. The word elite is probably what bothered you in the first place and if you look at the wiki definition of Elite it fits JV44. You may consider the word a value judgement - but it is not. That group of pilots was purposely gathered together to use new equipment, the Me 262. Perhaps there is another word that would describe them differently. That they the top pilots (as measured by air victories or whatever you want to call it) is historical fact. I don't see the reason with your comments regarding Erich Hartman. There is no question that war is evil. Hitler was evil. That is definitely the POV of most people. Mfields1 10:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
No apologies needed, I understand what you are talking about. It is a difficult thing on Wikipedia to write articles objectively, and at the same time does Wikipedia ignore certain things? I suppose not because I often see articles and think - wow, why is there an article written about that? Mfields1 17:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] 199th Light Infantry

I'm not as familiar with this subject as I'd like, but you seem to be the guy for it. You have a link down near the bottom of this article going to the 3rd Infantry. Is that the U.S. 3rd Infantry Division, or the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment? I'm trying to sort out redirects, and this is one of them. Thanks. --ScreaminEagle 15:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the explanation--very good to know! I fixed the redirect to the new article name and also included the "U.S." after the "3rd" to make it more accurately reflect the name of the regiment (afterall, it is the 3rd U.S. Infantry, right?). --ScreaminEagle 14:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On December 4, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Harrison Thyng, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thankyou Buckboard for creating this interesting article about a very remarkable person. GeeJo kindly nominated it for DYK. The majority of entries are self-nom, so please don't be shy.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nose art

I'm trying to rustle up support & info for a Nose Art page. Any help you can be would be great. Thanks. TrekphilerFlag of Canada17:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nose art

Outstanding. I'm going to have a look & see if I can find a history of the subject, & check some of my sources for where & when notable examples appeared. I'm hoping, for example, you've got "Glamorous Glennis" (sp?) & "Enola Gay"; I'm going to look for ID on some less famous examples. Ciao. Trekphiler 15:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Badge, decoration, award, insignia?

Buckboard, you recently have begun changing the labels on USAAF and USAF wings, now listed under "Badges," from "decoration" to "insignia." Perhaps now would be a good time to question the proper terminology when discussing Air Force wings. Apparently, the U.S. armed services don't use the same terminology. The Navy, for example, is said to differentiate between a "badge," which is worn beneath ribbons, versus qualification "insignia," such as submariners' dolphins and aviators' wings, or ratings. I don't know what USAF regulations say about this subject, but it would be coincidental if the Navy and Air Force agreed. Without knowing more about official USAF terminology, I'd be inclined to use the generic term "military award" when describing current USAF wings now listed under "Military badges of the United States." Can you shed some light on this subject? Thanks for your substantial and superb additions to USAF history and the histories of its predecessor organizations. Jack Bethune 16:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nose art notes

I've made a beginning:

Verner Voss flew an Albatros D.III had a red heart with white outline ahead of a white swastika over a green wreath. (Weapons & Warfare, Phoebus Publishing, 1977, volume 1, p64, "Albatros D")

Lt von Hippel's D.Va (Jasta 5) had a serpentine or "lightning bolt"-like red arrow with white outline.(W&W, v1, p65, "Albatros D")

Ar-196s aboard Prinz Eugen carried a white seahorse on a red shield. (W&W, v2, p134)

[[8/JG51]'s Me-109s wore arched-back black cat on (white? yellow?) circle. (W&W, v4, p342, "Me-109")

JG26's Me-109s wore serpentine black "S" on white shield, plus yellow cat's head (or tiger's head) & yellow nose & rudder. (W&W, v4, p342, "Me-109")

II/JG54 ID Grünherz (Green Heart)(W&W, v4, p343, "Me-109")

VA-195 (Kitty Hawk) SLUFs had eagle's head with yellow, blue, & red neck stripes (matching squadron rudder stripes).

Also, there are SPAD XIIIs on Wikimedia Commons, but I don't know how to transfer them. Trekphiler 08:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Re your last. I'm not in a hurrry. It is a big area. Just wanted to keep you in the picture. I've not yet gone to any sources I'd consider really authoritative or complete, just what's to hand. My thinking is, if you can find some of the best known—like those I mentioned, like the Hat in the Ring—we can date, authenticate, & post them. (I'm looking at the Wikimedia Commons' Spads & wondering if I can ID the outfits.) If I can find anything on the history, I'll add it, but to start with, a few notable examples & a brief description of some of the uses would suit me. BTW, I'm thinking it should be a bit broad, including the likes of USN tail art. Any comment?
Re Taj. Is there another one? ;) Y, you got it. Came to blues pretty late (after Stevie Ray's death...), but man, am I glad. If you can get acccess to it (shortwave?), listen Sat nites to CBC radio (2300 local, here), a program called "Sat Nite Blues", 2hr some of the best stuff you want to hear. Trekphiler 20:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Less Nessman

Just to let you know I haven't given up, here's some more leads:

Because of it being used on a commercial product (Rickenbacker car) the Adjutant Genral instructed the 94th. Squadron of the Army Air Forces to discontinue its use, and the Indian Head (of the 103rd. Aero Squadron, which evolved from the famous Escadrille Lafayette in Feb. 1918 in France) subtituted as the Squadron emblem, since the 103rd. was not reconstituted as an active duty outfit in the States following WWI. (from http://www.geocities.com/amyjo1.geo/hatinthering.html)

Within a Red circle in perspective, long axis vertical, Uncle Sam's top hat, upper portion, Blue background with White stars [pointing to dexter base]; middle portion, Red and White stripes; brim, White [pointing to sinister chief]; sweat band, Brown; inside of hat, Dark Blue. (Approved 15 Nov 1919 from World War I emblem [49003 A.C.]); canceled and replaced with emblem based on Lafayette Escadrille, 6 May 1924 (K 2813); original emblem reinstated 9 Jul 1942 (49003 A.C.) (from http://www.geocities.com/amyjo1.geo/hatinthering.html)

The F-5s used by DACT/Red Flag had a tiger's head on the fin (Weapons & Warfare, volume 8, p881)

Some USN F8C-4 Helldivers (with red tails) had black top hat on red ring outlined in black. (volume 8, p882)

Georg von Hantelman of Jasta 15 in WW1 flew a Fokker D.VII with lozenge-camo wings & white skull & crossbones. (volume 9, p979)

Ki-48-I Type 99s of 8h Light Bomber Sentai, 3d Chutai, had tails decorated with two vertical diamonds & 6 "feathers" (3 either side the stacked diamonds) (Weapons & Warfare, volume 14, p.1604)

Maj. Jack Ilfrey and his P-51D Mustang "Happy Jack's Go Buggy" Kingscliffe, England -September,1944. On 9 Jul 1942, he was with 20th FG. As a member of the 1st. Fighter Group Ilfrey flew P-38F-LO, which he named "Texas Terror"; in the 20th. Fighter Group, P-38J-15-LO, the famous "Happy Jack's Go Buggy." (from http://www.geocities.com/)

I think I mentioned the Wikimedia Commons pix; I'm trying to track down what outfits they belonged to, for attribution by date & location. I haven't figured out how to transfer them yet, so if you have, let me know; I've got a file folder full of pix on my HD... Trekphiler 09:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Did you know?

Updated DYK query On 27 December 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Attack on the Sui-ho Dam, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Great article, amazing to see one in such good condition right out of the gate. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 13:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for the recognition. My "secret", if there is one, is that I write the articles in a sandbox on my user page and polish them up before posting them--much like writing a term paper, although that sounds pretty pedestrian. It's easier to footnote that way, and usually other details come to light during the cleanup process--holes I spot in the article, data I left out, and so on--that surprise even me. That makes it fun, and to me fun is the key to good writing. The key to a good article, though, is having good followup editors. I'm a dunce when it comes to uploading images--although I do pretty fair in Wikipedia commons--and the photographs others add are invaluable, as are their suggestions.--Buckboard 06:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Military brat

Well, somebody beat me to the category of military brat, but I went through last night and updated all of the brats on the List of famous military brats to have the category on their page. Well, the category has already been nominated for deletion. The reasoning is because it is a "non-neutral" term and parental occupation is irrelevant. Thus, I'm letting people who have contributed to the Military brat article know so that they can support the category. Here is the link to the discussion [1] Balloonman 20:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TOPGUN/NSAWC

Just saw your edit changing characterization of NSAWC from a "center of excellence" to conducting "all facets of air combat training". I changed it somewhat as NSAWC is not responsible for all facets of air combat training in the Navy model. Unlike the Air Force, the Navy has grouped "type" airraft at relatively fewer master jet bases and provided Type Wing Weapons Schools under command of local Type Wing Commodore (Adversary support comes from CVWR-20, but used to be from same Commodore when those units were active duty). The weapons schools provide the first exposure to unit level/graduate training as a unit works up to combat readiness for deployment. Only after finishing lectures and flying in their syallabus do the units assemble as an air wing drawing in squadrons from across the country to undergo Carrier Air Wing training at NSAWC. NSAWC also conducts training for individuals selected for TOPGUN or Strike Lead training. All instructors at Adversary units and Weapons Schools undergo training at NSAWC and coordinate with NSAWC for standardization purposes hence its official designation as a "center of excellence" and my purpose in characterizing it as such. Cheers, HJ HJ 14:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


Response to comments on HJ user page:....no worries from me. It's all part of the Wiki process. be glad to help with Nellis project as I visit there routinely (have so since my first Red Flag in 1978) and have some images (and insights) to share. Cheers, HJ 21:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] College Football

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[edit] Robin Olds

Saw your addition on whether Olds purposefully offended scoring a fifth kill over Vietnam. I believe that is exactly what happened and he knew it was his last flying assignment and would be yanked out of cockpit and his leadership role. After becoming a general and seeing poor performance in 1972, he volunteered to return as a colonel to help revive the spirit he created in 1966-67. What a guy! Glad you added that fact! Cheers, HJ 11:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Check the last sentence you just added to Robin Olds...it is incomplete. Good stuff though! HJ 15:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Also i looked at what u did to [Operation Bolo], just like to point out u had several misprints: such as these names like (boyne, Michael 73) also the date u had for the planning stage was not January 1st, it was the 2nd Tu-49 19:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leo K. Thorsness

Hi. We've crossed paths before, I think on the MOH FARC. Anyway, I see you put a lot of work into this article. I did a little on it. I think with an expanded lead and several more inline citations, it'd make GA. Thorsness knew George Thomas Coker in the camps in Vietnam. I wrote Coker's article and I personally know Coker, he's a good friend of mine. Anyway, do you happen to know a way to contact Thorsness? I want to nominate him for a special Scouting award, but I need to find him first.Rlevse 12:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thorsness is no longer listed as an officer or on their Board of Directors, but I still believe this would be the place to start: Congressional Medal of Honor Foundation. I would recommend contacting them by letter at the address shown under "Support the Legacy".Buckboard 06:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
Thanks. George said he may be able to find him via the POW Assn too.Rlevse 11:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guard of Honor

Peter Reilly 14:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your addtion to Guard of Honor. I keep rereading that book along with a couple of Cozzens later works. I like the word "imperious" for Benny. Are you a fan of Cozzens or is it just this work due to military history interest ?

Actually, both. My first Cozzens read was The Just and the Unjust, which I read for a Lit course years ago. I kept the book and re-read it from a whole new perspective about fifteen years later after I had become a cop. Then I found GoH at a garage sale (not a first edition, but a 50's hardback). Cozzens can be a challenge at times--when he explicates on the thought processes of his characters, with lots of subordinate clauses (and parenthetical modifiers), and thoughts within thoughts--I often have to read them aloud to get sense of them--but that's more me than Cozzens. He uses dialogue well--not snappy banter which doesn't mean anything but real speech that at the same time advances the plot--and drops bits of humor in a timely fashion ("3 dits, 4 dits, 2 dits, dah, Ocanara, rah rah rah"). I'm halfway through my latest reading of Guard of Honor, but like everything else I do these days, I suaully check to see what wiki has on it!--Buckboard 09:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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Peter Reilly 22:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC) I never figured out what that Morse Code joke in GOH was. I do have to give myself credit for statrting the GOH article.

Have you read the rest of the later works ?

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[edit] Edits to John Franklin and other things ...

Hey, good to see your edits to John Franklin. They have all strengthened the article. You will see I have tweaked a few things, hoping to make the entry more accurate. I've spent about 12 years researching the Franklin story, and worked on the NOVA show as well. Also, I see you have an interest in Powell and Pressburger, whom I greatly admire. Hope to see you around the wiki. (Russell Potter a.k.a. Rapotter 01:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC))

Hey, thanks for the note on my Talk page. About P&P -- I started with Col. Blimp as well, and have worked my way through everything they've done that's currently available on DVD. Criterion just recently released their edition of 49th Parallel, and it's among my favorites; I'm hoping to expand the WP entry on the film a bit. The Franklin article remains on my list -- lots of organiziational work to do there; do you agree the article should be split from a separate entry on his last expedition? Rapotter 16:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Agree, but I'm fuzzy on the standards for that. I wrote an extensive history of OSU football and eventually made it a sister article, but only after some demurring by others. I see talk questioning the size of articles all the time, yet there seem to be more merge than split factions out there. Imho the expedition has so many aspects about it, many untouched (like the canner of their food who was made a scapegoat), that it deserves a main article of its own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buckboard (talk • contribs) 05:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

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[edit] Bockcar redux

Good job re-organizing the article! --rogerd 00:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanx, Rog. Nice to know somebody is reading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buckboard (talk • contribs) 11:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Hanns Scharff

Hey BB, I'm slightly confused about your summary comments you left on Hanns Scharff. Were the A.G. detainees not interrogated? I think that's fairly well known. The whole purpose of interrogation is to obtain desired information. Many of the interrogators were accused of unapproved tactics (i.e. abuse) to get said information. So I'm unsure as to what you're saying needs to be cited. Could you please clarify? --ScreaminEagle 22:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to come off as a jerk or anything, I was just genuinely surprised that that particular fact was challenged. However, after reading more on the abuse scandal, I will reword the phrase to clarify that the interrogators who were accused were contractors and will change "torture" to "abuse," just to be on the safe side. Thank you for pointing it out to me. I admit that most of the press coverage revolved around the guards and their treatment of the prisoners; however, the interrogators were also accused of using abuse tantamount to torture on prisoners who were thought to be of a high intelligence value. Indeed, some interrogators made statements against other interrogators after seeing prisoners come to them who had obviously been abused in one way or another by the previous interrogator. So while not as well known, it also made the news. Also, I used it as an example specific to Hanns Scharff, because that's the example that all of my sources used. It wasn't until AG that his name popped up again, and somewhat frequently, to question what went wrong in Iraq. So that's why I brought it up.
One of the sections I'm working on soon will include some of the prisoners that Scharff interrogated. Who is the fellow you're working on? I'll be sure to include him in the section (if you don't get to it first of course). My sources may have some extra information on the interrogation process to boot, eh?
Again, thanks for bringing that to my attention. --ScreaminEagle 19:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see you meant Gabby. He was possibly Scharff's most famous interrogatee, so he will definitely be included, along with some tidbits of their relationship. --ScreaminEagle 19:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Oo, ouch.  :) I'd say something about Ohio, but my best friend, Mistytsim, would poke my eyes out with a fork. So I'll just say, good work for a cop. ;-) --ScreaminEagle 12:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] List of the writings of William Monahan

Hey, this stupid list is up for deletion again. As someone who voted on this issue previously, please feel free to express your opinion again. Also, billdeancarter has taken the liberty of notifying those who voted to keep in the first debate, so I am doing this to be fair. WhiteKongMan 13:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ribbon bars for Gabby Gabreski and Robin Olds

Thanks for the comment.

  1. The mechanics - Yeah, it was a little odd to work with. First I used the rackbuilder tool [2], then I had to do a screen capture to a png. Then crop it, then upload it to WP. Then I had to use the ImageMapMarkerTool [3], which went pretty well.
  2. The copyright - While IANAL, my guess is that because it is just a rearrangement of images which are/or should be tagged as {{PD-USGov-Military-Award}}, it would be good to go. If I hear different, I will pass it along.

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[edit] Deep Sea 129

Good job on the Deep Sea 129 incident in EC-121 Warning Star. Good details, with sources. I found the EC-121 shootdown incident page, and it's pretty skimpy. Given that your piece is a bit long for an aircraft article, I moved the entire section to the incident article. I haven't tried to fromat it there at all, just pasted it in. Take a look, and see what you can do to improve that page. Thanks. - BillCJ 15:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Battle of Normandy Edits

Hi, I just want to thank you for your recent edits to the Normandy article, especially the US Airborne operations section. Well done. DMorpheus 15:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 357th Fighter Group

I was browsing through Wiki and found the 357th Fighter Group article. Seems that you've done a lot of the writing, and the article is quite good, and well-referenced. With a bit of massaging (language-wise, explaining some technical issues) I think it could be a Featured Article. If you're interested in trying to get it to FA-status, let me know. Cheers. •Jim62sch• 20:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment. I am divided about FA. My motivation is preservation of knowledge, so I write these as unsensational collections of information drawn in from widely varied sources and organized so that if I, the reader, were back in 1945 as a participant, this represents what I know to be true. I'll consider it and get back to you if I decide to, but thanx for the offer.--Buckboard 22:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, just let me know. I understand your point about FA -- the day the aticle hits the main page everybody and their cousin wants to edit it. In any case, nice job. •Jim62sch• 20:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invasion stripes

Just a quick thank you note for adding a lot of information to this article! I was quite surprised to find no article about this particular subject, but I was even more surprised to find it two pages long within hours :) -- MiG 21:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guard of Honor

I hadn't read the Guard of Honor entry in a while. It was a lot better than when I started it (which I guess is the point of wikkipedia). I worked my way back and saw it was you that added the plot summary. Great job.

[edit] No citation

Hi there. It is some time since your edit to de Havilland Vampire, namely [4] , but you have not added the requested citation. Can you supply one? Cheers. Moriori 02:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You want me to make a citation, come here with the request--don't wait 8 months and assume I'll go back there. I have no idea which source I got the tidbit from and it's too trifling to make an exhaustive search. So I changed it to something I can cite. Neither my edit nor Col. Schilling's decision to wait before going on to Germany were intended as disrespectful to the RAF or the Vampire. To the contrary, it was a show of respect and courtesy by Schilling, who had a great fondness for the British and respect for the RAF. But it did happen and for that reason. Cheers. --Buckboard 05:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
My oh my. I made a request, in the article, by asking for a source, because there is no reference anywhere else to this. That's eight months ago. As a citation had not been provided during that time, I could have (1) deleted the claim entirely (2) or ask the contributor for a citation. I chose the latter which seemed fairer. However, job's done. Cheers. Moriori 08:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Civility, not salutation, is a mark of cooperation. I went ahead and added the prior edit to the new edit with source cited.--Buckboard 23:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
This particular section of the article needs attention. I'll get around to it later. Moriori 00:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Acceptable compromise, if a little...--Buckboard 00:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] SPR Talk Page

Hi,

Just FYI he's been trolling the talk page on that subject - the 2 IP addresses are likely him as all 3 direct to a small town in Western Canada. Don't feed him, he's a troll.--Lepeu1999 12:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Contribution

Hello. I am currently trying to contribute to a battle in respect to giving a reason why a Viking force had to withdraw from a native attack, which I think was instrumental to the article itself and since the person in question received her place in history for that act. Its my understanding that Wikipedia is meant for contributions, but the people at that region see fit to leave the situation vague. They have told me that I cannot simply copy and past from references and, in short order, I re-wrote the small addition in my own words. I don't see what the problem here is, however, they simply revert my edits and give me vague conclusion to why they have done so. The site is intended to be used for non-commercial reproduction so we have no problems in copyright infringement. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. InternetHero 23:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Be glad to help. I'll reply on your user talk page. fwiw, a quick scan of the above and your talk page seems to show me you're on the right track and we can get you through this learning episode with your enthusiasm intact (a must for editting, as is a thick skin).--Buckboard 05:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Removal of "expert attention" tag on Allied invasion of Italy ?

Hi Buckboard1! (This message has also been sent to User:Kirrages). I have noticed that there have been many edits in the article Allied invasion of Italy, and missing information has been filled in. Considering your and User:Kirrages's edits, I could safely say that you two know much more about the Invasion of Italy than I. Therefore, I ask if either one of you, or both, can assess the article, with hope of removing the "ugly" "need of attention"-tag? My feeling is that this tag is not very urgent anymore, but I personally know too little to be bold enough and remove it. I am sure you two can make a decision. My regards, --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 22:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Shoo Shoo Baby

Buckboard, mah man!

Ah had a good chuckle when I read your very excellent bio of Shoo Shoo Baby! I was pleased to see how deftly you wove various factoids about her that I had written into the general B-17 Flying Fortress log. Nicely done. It reminded me of my college days when I would see bits of my news copy in The Tiger, the Clemson University student newspaper, repeated verbatim in TAPS, the annual, at the end of the year.

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[edit] Henry H. Arnold

Thanks for the update on the Henry H. Arnold date of rank. Was there a specific USAF link or document that could be added as a cite? — MrDolomite • Talk 13:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

There was when I originally re-wrote the article, and I am endeavoring to locate it. Sourced.--Buckboard 12:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckboard (talk • contribs)

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[edit] Re: delete king

Humans make mistakes, and the software that runs this site was designed was this principle in mind. Very few things that anyone on this site can do is truly permanent. Deletions can be un-deleted, and for the moment, I've undeleted User:Buckboard1 and I've moved it back to User:Buckboard. It seems you attempted to rename(?) yourself at some point, which has split your talk page history and done some other funkiness. If you'd like help in having your account renamed properly, let me know and I'd be more than happy. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 10:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I've done. Because you had two talk pages with multiple overlapping timeframes, a history merge of the two talk pages was not possible. I moved all discussion from User_talk:Buckboard to User_talk:Buckboard/Archive_1, I deleted the redirect at User_talk:Buckboard and moved User_talk:Buckboard1 there. I moved two User_talk: subpages from Buckboard1 to Buckboard (User talk:Buckboard1/Draft: Ohio State Buckeyes football and User talk:Buckboard1/Draft: 456th). I also moved all of the Buckboard1 User: subpages to their Buckboard counterparts (User:Buckboard1:_Draft_of_Thomas_W._Steed, User:Buckboard1:_draft,_Stanley_T._Wray, User:Buckboard1:_Pumpkin_bomb, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_2006_Ohio_State_Buckeyes_football_team, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_456th, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_91st, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_Darrell_Lindsey, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_Dawn_to_dusk/Maughan_bio, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_Ohio_State_Buckeyes_football, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_RAF_Bassingbourn, User:Buckboard1/Draft:_Roots_and_organizational_history_of_the_Air_Force, User:Buckboard1/Draft:9th_Bomb_Group, User:Buckboard1/drafts, User:Buckboard1/sandbox, and User:Buckboard1/Source_List). I deleted all the of Buckboard1 redirects, except for the User: and User_talk: ones.

I also created the Buckboard1 account with a random password to prevent any impersonation. Feel free to e-mail me if you would like the password. If you have any further issues, please let me know. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MILHIST membership

Out of curiosity, did you intend to add Reedmalloy to the listing without removing the existing one (for Buckboard)? Or am I misunderstanding the situation here? Kirill 04:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Kirill: I am deleting my old account (Buckboard) and using only the new one. I am in the process of converting over and should be done tonight. --Buckboard 04:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Done.--Reedmalloy (talk) 04:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)