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[edit] Henry VIII

Does the Henry VIII image add anything to this page? I think it could be removed, decluttering the article.

It was originally added to break up a vast mass of text and was put in next to the paragraph that mentions Henry VIII. I don't know why it was moved. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 07:22, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] tiny hamlets

A recent edit to this article "removed tiny hamlets with no articles". I have undone this edit. Most of the places in the list don't have articles yet, but we should aim to have articles for all of them. -- Oliver P. 23:50, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

There seems to be a problem with the editors of these pages. First off, they think they have the authority to decide which settlement types can be doled out, despite knowing absolutely nothing about them in the first place, effectively making up things - i.e. Bourne End. Secondly, half the villages in South Bucks are "apparently" now in the unitary authority of Windsor and Maidenhead - i.e. Taplow - which is incorrect too. I live in this area, and I am not happy that the editors are making such misinformed judgements such as this - to prove what? Please make amendments.

Make the amendments yourself, and do please STOP adding notes to the bottom of the page. If you wish to amend what the page says amend the main text. Notes added to the bottom of a page will ALWAYS be reverted. -- Graham :) 15:53, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Postal purposes

Copied from page history: Milton Keynes district became a unitary authority in 1997, but remains part of the county for ceremonial and postal purposes.

I don't understand for what postal purposes Milton Keynes remains part of Buckinghamshire? If anything it's the reverse, parts of the existing county of Bucks have a Milton Keynes postcode (eg Buckingham is MK18). -- Graham :) 17:50, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Buckinghamshire (From Wikipedia:Featured article candidates)

Article on the county in England mainly developed to its current state by myself. I believe it's a good model for other county articles to copy. I finally decided to list it here because I've managed to find some artwork to display alongside Morwen's marvellous maps. Graham :) 00:04, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Wow, that is tremendously comprehensive. Is it too comprehensive? Kingturtle 05:03, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Well there's nothing there that you won't find on any of the other county articles, except due to my local knowledge there is every single place in the county. I think it would be a travesty to not include those, but I suppose what you could do is to move the full list to a separate article and just have the key places in the main Buckinghamshire article. -- Graham :) 16:00, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • I think it's great, there's a lovely sense of politics and geography shaping the county. I will second it if we can break the long list of places off onto its own page. I think a list of (say 20?) principle towns/cities should remain on this article (you'll need to pick them, I have no idea!), and there can be a link to the entire list of cities/towns/villages in Bucks. How does that sound? fabiform | talk 18:58, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • How is it now? -- Graham :) 21:48, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • Excellent work. Still, it seems too much. Maybe Famous people from Bucks should be List of people from Buckinghamshire, and Towns in Buckinghamshire should be List of towns in Buckinghamshire? Maybe? What do you think? Kingturtle 22:48, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • No I disagree, and I quite like fabiform's edits making the lists into two columns. -- Graham :) 23:15, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm happy with it now. The famous people seem fine on the main article to me. I've just tweaked the two lists of places so there's less white space. Anyway, I second this article now.  :) fabiform | talk 22:57, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Lovely lavishing of locale-loving effort on what is at first blush an unremarkably-shaped county. Fine form for future neighborhood mavens to mimic. +sj+ 02:05, 2004 Mar 28 (UTC)
  • Added to Geography section. Gentgeen 05:16, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] County town

Are we certain Aylesbury is the County town? I had alweays thought it was Buckingham, and a search gives both in multiple different places, SqueakBox 19:17, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

It actually says in the article when it swapped over from Buckingham to Aylesbury. Not only that but I work for the County Council at its headquarters in Aylesbury (a big 15 storey tower block called County Hall), and Aylesbury is where, you may have noticed from one or two utility pages, is also where I live. So I should know.</tongue-in-cheek> -- Francs2000 | Talk 19:22, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
From the article: Henry VIII was also responsible for making Aylesbury the county town over Buckingham, which he did to curry favour with Thomas Boleyn so that he could marry his daughter Anne. -- Francs2000 | Talk 19:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Obviously a lot of peopple don't realise. It was my mum who first told me as a kid, and I suspect there is some kind of false rumour that has been going around for years, judging by the internet. It's good to know we have the right place. And you are right, knowing you live there I should have trusted that you would know. A good thing too, I think, as Buckingham is too remote from the south, SqueakBox 20:16, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Don't let people from Buckingham hear you saying that... -- Francs2000 | Talk 20:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
An apocryphal story has it that a coach load of Americans arrived in the centre of the town and demanded to know where to find the Palace. --Concrete Cowboy 21:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I haven't heard that one but I have heard the one about the American diplomat who asked the Queen why she had Windsor Castle built so close to the airport... -- Francs2000 | Talk 01:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Historical county infobox reversion

This article is about Buckinghamshire today, with a brief summary of the history article. For the Buckinghamshire that existed in history, see History of Buckinghamshire. The trad county exists but only in historical texts and memories - it is legally irrelevant. It is absolutely appropriate to mention that "Alphaton is in Betashire and was formerly in the traditional county of Gammashire". It makes a dog's breakfast of articles to put every minor bit of trivia in a featured infobox. Infoboxes provide a capsule description of the key current economic and political indicators. To append some arbitrary material that has been pickled in aspic at some arbitrary time that User:Owain's POV says was the "Golden Age" is simply obsessive.

The second map is certainly more useful (in the History of Buckinghamshire article) than the England map. It could do with having the anglo-saxon Hundreds marked on it, and it needs a commentary to explain the outliers and inliers for those unfamiliar with such things. Quite clearly, you are capable of contributing material that readers would welcome - but please put it in the history articles. It is more than welcome there - it is not welcome in the current affairs version. --Concrete Cowboy 22:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
It would be more useful on a Buckinghamshire (traditional) article. It shows the traditional county; I make no claims as to whether or no it shows the Anglo-Saxon county or anything else other than what the government and courts call the Ancient or Geographic County.
As for your removing information; if you believe it should be in another article, move it to another article. Don't just delete it and rely on someone else to actually do the work that you've just created, or the information may get burried and lost, which would be a loss to the wikipedia poject in general, and not a very satisfactory way of carrying on. 80.255 22:48, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
As stated, I have moved it - it is in History of Buckinghamshire which is the most logical place for it since I can't see anyone writing the article you suggest. --Concrete Cowboy 22:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I can see people writing the article I suggest. The trouble is purely that some people took exception to its existence the last time I suggested this solution. So don't blame me for the lack of article, blame the people who try to exterminate such articles whenever they are created! 80.255 23:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I have added my thoughts on this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places)#Trad counties of England infoboxes and feel the discussion ought to be continued there as it affects more than the one county. -- Francs2000 | Talk 23:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Comment It just takes up too much space. It is a distraction from the main points that need to be made about the current county. The fact that the county boundaries have been changed can be mentioned in a few lines here and more detail can be given in the History article. Wikipedia articles are about giving readers useful information, not about promoting an agenda, however valid it may be. This is just one small aspect of one sub-topic about Buckinghamshire, and it doesn't deserve this prominence. Osomec 23:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Facts altered

Certain facts in this article seem to have been altered. Can someone please confirm that the altered versions are correct. If not, please revert the changes.
—gorgan_almighty 14:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ceremonial county

Could someone who knows about such things write a short para on the ceremonial county? There are two many articles in category:Milton Keynes that say that they are in modern Buckinghamshire when they haven't been so for over 10 years. Thanks --Concrete Cowboy 17:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The article already says in the lead paragraph: Buckinghamshire ceremonial county includes the modern administrative county plus the Borough of Milton Keynes. (Milton Keynes and district ("North Bucks") became a unitary authority in 1997). - is any more than that really necessary? If anyone wants to find out more they can click on the ceremonial county link. -- Roleplayer 20:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
The reason I need it so that I can use [[Buckinghamshire#Ceremonial county|Ceremonial Buckinghamshire]] rather than just [[Buckinghamshire]] since that is the admin county. --Concrete Cowboy 22:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Ideally it would be better if there were separate articles for administrative, ceremonial and traditional, but until that happens a separate section you can link to is the best solution. Owain (talk) 10:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Well I've made a start though I highly suspect someone will want to change it. I've placed it under 'History' and before 'Economy'. -- Roleplayer 11:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Although to be honest there are various sections of the article that need swapping around, for example the section on places that used to be in the county but are no longer, but I don't have time to do that now. -- Roleplayer 11:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. As Owain knows, there have been long arguments in another place about splitting these county articles three ways but the consensus seems to be to leave them alone. --Concrete Cowboy 12:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beef and bread

I have removed the following text from the article:

Most English counties have nicknames for people from that county, such as a Tyke from Yorkshire and a Yellowbelly from Lincolnshire; the traditional nickname for people from Buckinghamshire is 'Buckinghamshire Beef and Bread', deriving from the hearty medieval diet of the natives!

The only reference I can find for this from a google search is a single, unreferenced, website that is possibly open source. I have lived in Buckinghamshire for 27 years and I have never heard of this. -- Roleplayer 20:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History

The history sections looks just as long as History of Buckinghamshire. The section in this article should be no more than a succinct summary of what is contained in the satellite article. MRSC 12:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Various Comments

1. The above comment is correct ^ There is a lot of history- but little else about the county.

2. The County Arms appear to have a motto - but what is it? Why isn't it in the article?

3. Why is the ONLY picture of Buckinghamshire in the entire article a picture of the worst, ugliest building in the whole of Bucks? Someone put some pictures in to demonstrate why it is known as "Leafy Buckinghamshire" please.

4. Should the Verneys be included as famous inhabitants? They are rich landowners who have lived in Bucks since the thirteenth century. Just proposing they be considered for inclusion.

1. The History of Buckinghamshire article was a copy and paste of what was in the article. If you know anything about the history of Bucks, expand the other article and make it longer.
2. The motto is in the article, under "coat of arms" - Vestigia Nulla Retrorsum
3. It was supposed to be a picture of Buckinghamshire County Council. There are other pics, if you find one that represents the whole county, include it.
4. Feel free to put the Verneys in somewhere.
-- Roleplayer 00:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hamlets

Please see WT:UKGEO#Bucks Hamlet. Simply south (talk) 02:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:EH icon.png

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[edit] Flag

Why is the image of the flag of Buckinghamshire wrong? The flag has the white swan on it and the image does not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.81.88 (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I removed the image of the flag because it was wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.88.83 (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA/FA push

This article has, unsurprisingly, been identified as an important article for WikiProject Buckinghamshire so some editors are looking at taking the article all the way back to featured. This article was featured years ago but the criteria has changed somewhat since then. There are currently two county articles that have featured status: Dorset and Somerset. I think we can get this through GA ourselves, then get more people involved via UK Geography with a fresh eye. SeveroTC 22:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to mention Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about counties as a guideline. SeveroTC 22:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)