User talk:BSVulturis

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[edit] Third culture kids

Hi BSVulturis, I responded to your comments on the Military brat talk page, but wanted to make sure you saw it. I don't think it would be appropriate to include a section on Civilian kids in the military brat discussion, but they are very appropriate in the third culture kids page. Balloonman 07:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! After seeing this, I responded there, and your point is taken. BSVulturis 16:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree Vultaris-- if you grew up on military bases how could you not be affected by military culture? My expereince as a 'military' Third Culure Kid is that I tended to absorb the cultures that I was immersed in. So if you were immersed in overseas military base culture how could you not absorb that?

Also-- this just occured to me-- I related that DoD kids story about being stationed in Cambodia-- but I forgot to add that my Uncle is a DoD engineer and spent the Spring of 2005 in Iraq assisting in runway design for an Air Base and also helped oversea the construction of a bridge and a school. He was certainly risking his life there. And lots of DoD civilians have served in Iraq.

So I'm going over the points--

1)"DoD kids lived off base" (incorrect). 2) "DoD kids were not raised in a military environment" (incorrect). 3) "DoD kids didn't face the risk of parental death in the line of duty (incorrect-- and besides, the truth is that the majority of military dependents did not have parents that faced that obvious direct-combat risk either-- there are always more support personel in the military than actual soldiers and combat pilots or combat sailors).

I don't see such a sharp distinction. I always knew civilian DoD kids growing up-- they were there on every base that I lived at.

Lastly-- what overseas military base was not a potential target during the Cold War (or now during the 'War on Terror')? I would say that any DoD worker or dependent stationed overseas on a US Military installation always faces some risk of death.

Anyway, I've said my piece. I do not have any kind of feud with Baloonman either, I think he's a good guy and his article is outstanding, it covers so many good points and covers them well. Maybe he's just approaching a level of fatigue because I'm sure it was quite an effort to create that article.

Take care.

Phil

Sean7phil 02:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Phil,
Those were high level comments, and as a whole I stand by them. Yes, there may be exceptions, but military brats did grow up in a different environment than civilians---even if the civilian happened to live overseas in close proximity to a military base. Which is why they are studied as a seperate group in TCK research. Government TCKs, for example, have on average less mobility than their military counterpart. When they do go overseas, they are overseas for longer periods. Their parents are generally higher educated than military TCKs. They may be intimately connected to the military community, but they are not truly part of that community. The military can tell a servceperson, "You're moving." And they moved. Civilians have more input on whether they are moving. Civilians don't have rank, which is a major factor in the upbringing. There are many differences. We could discuss our opinions til the cows come home, but the reality is that Government TCKs are treated differently than Military Brats in the research. There are a lot similarities, but to there are a lot of differences.Balloonman 05:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Category:Military brat

Well, somebody beat me to the category of military brat, but I went through last night and updated all of the brats on the List of famous military brats to have the category on their page. Well, the category has already been nominated for deletion. The reasoning is because it is a "non-neutral" term and parental occupation is irrelevant. Thus, I'm letting people who have contributed to the Military brat article know so that they can support the category. Here is the link to the discussion [1] Balloonman 20:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You misunderstood the options on military brats

You have voted keep, but you are saying that the category should be replaced with a list - a list that already exists. Therefore what you mean is that you want the category deleted. Could you consider amending your comment so that it will not be misinterpreted? ie. at the moment you have bolded the word "keep" when this is the direct opposite of your actual opinion. Chicheley 16:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)