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I really want them to make Bryn Mawr a township, just so the signs can say "BRYN MAWR TWP", because that means "big stupid hill". 66.92.237.111 22:00, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] We need sections about:
- Nate (at A-Plus, used to have an eye patch)
- The late Tom Wooten ("Wrong Way Wooten")
- The Main Point and The Point (maybe mention Mape's)
- The Grog v. pre-prohabition era bar called Malories
- Dunken Doughnuts (especially 93-96)
- The "Lionel" underpass
- Puns
- Marita's v. BM Pub
- Roaches (breakfast and boilermakers)
Why are they moving the Jaguar Dealership? What's next, Farari moves to Paoli? I miss Al E. Gators.
Good times.
--Knowmoore 04:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- The Sixth Sense
Someone should mention that many scenes in this movie were filmed in Bryn Mawr including the dead girl's house and the Bryn Mawr ACME: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0167404/locations
--Grs wiki 13:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Location, only in Montgomery County
Since Bryn Mawr is defined as a census-designated place, I checked the census website and it is located only in Montgomery County. See this map. I have clarified the text accordingly. Ruhrfisch 15:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- The Bryn Mawr zip code (19010) also covers some portions of Radnor Township and Haverford Township; I assume that this is what the old text was attempting to convey. Spikebrennan 17:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's true. I don't know if this counts as original research, but my address is Bryn Mawr and I live in Delaware county. Coemgenus 18:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- This article is about the CDP, so therefore the Geobox should reflect that Bryn Mawr is only in Montco. VerruckteDan 00:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that since Wikipedia Pennsylvania articles use CDPs and not postal addresses, Bryn Mawr the CDP is only in Montogomery County. Please see the Montgomery County and Delaware County maps, which show Bryn Mawr only in Lower Merion Twp in MontCo (and which I made from Census maps). Image:Map of Montgomery County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png and Image:Map of Delaware County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png. Here is the source of the maps, if you want to check the original [1] I reverted to MontCo only in the Geobox. Ruhrfisch 01:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Firm agreement with Ruhrfisch here. Glad that's all settled, then. (For the record, among the reasons _why_ CDPs make more sense than zip codes is that zip codes are geographically larger-- for example, Bryn Mawr's zip code (19010) includes, in addition to the Bryn Mawr CDP, the community of Rosemont, Pennsylvania (which in turn includes the community of Garrett Hill, Pennsylvania). It wouldn't make any sense for the Bryn Mawr article to duplicate the Rosemont and the Garrett Hill material. Spikebrennan 01:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I put the blurbs about incorporated areas in PA and CDPs and unincorporated communities in each PA county. I have thought about adding something about postal addresses to each county article too. Any ideas? Ruhrfisch 02:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Firm agreement with Ruhrfisch here. Glad that's all settled, then. (For the record, among the reasons _why_ CDPs make more sense than zip codes is that zip codes are geographically larger-- for example, Bryn Mawr's zip code (19010) includes, in addition to the Bryn Mawr CDP, the community of Rosemont, Pennsylvania (which in turn includes the community of Garrett Hill, Pennsylvania). It wouldn't make any sense for the Bryn Mawr article to duplicate the Rosemont and the Garrett Hill material. Spikebrennan 01:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that since Wikipedia Pennsylvania articles use CDPs and not postal addresses, Bryn Mawr the CDP is only in Montogomery County. Please see the Montgomery County and Delaware County maps, which show Bryn Mawr only in Lower Merion Twp in MontCo (and which I made from Census maps). Image:Map of Montgomery County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png and Image:Map of Delaware County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png. Here is the source of the maps, if you want to check the original [1] I reverted to MontCo only in the Geobox. Ruhrfisch 01:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- This article is about the CDP, so therefore the Geobox should reflect that Bryn Mawr is only in Montco. VerruckteDan 00:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's true. I don't know if this counts as original research, but my address is Bryn Mawr and I live in Delaware county. Coemgenus 18:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are the current blurbs:
Under Pennsylvania law, there are four types of incorporated municipalities: cities, boroughs, townships, and, in at most two cases, towns. and
Census-designated places are geographical areas designated by the U.S. Census Bureau for the purposes of compiling demographic data. They are not actual jurisdictions under Pennsylvania law. Other unincorporated communities, such as villages, may be listed here as well.
- Those sound good. I think an article about a CDP is wrong-headed, since most people don't know or care how the census designates their home. On the other hand, when we're talking about an area with undefined borders, it's difficult to write the article about that, too. I guess CDP is the only way to go, unless anyone can suggest another way of describing the "towns" of the Main Line that, except for Narberth, are not towns or boroughs at all but simply informal places. Coemgenus 10:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks - every CDP in PA (and I think the US) as of the 2000 census has an article already. A number of other unincoprorated communities also have articles, although finding sources to prove notability is often more difficult for these. I think it would be fine to add that the mailing address for Brun Mawr extends into DelCo. The problem is finding the specifics of it - not sure the post office website has maps, just lookup. Ruhrfisch 11:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- You're right. I tried to find some website that mentions the Delaware County portion, and came up empty. I know it's so, but there doesn't seem to be a source I can find. As I said, CDP makes as much sense as anything, and has the added benefit of a reliable source to back it up. Coemgenus 12:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I found reliable sources to say that "Bryn Mawr" extends into Delaware County; I am using schools' addresses to prove this. See, PA school districts ALWAYS conform to township/borough/city lines, so the schools are undeniable proof that "Bryn Mawr" addresses extend into other townships. WhisperToMe 01:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- The article is about the Census Designated Place, which is defined by the US Census Bureau. It just so happens that the US Post Office also has a "Bryn Mawr" (what you found), which does not correspond exactly with the CDP. Postal addresses do not always follow county / city / borough / township boundaries (very few townships have a post office named for them). For example, Jackson Township in northern Lycoming County has a Liberty, Tioga County, Pennsylvania address, but is not part of Tioga County.
A second example: Montour High School in Robinson Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania has a McKees Rocks mailing address, despite the fact that it is not located in McKees Rocks. It is the only high school for the Montour School District, which serves Kennedy and Robinson Townships, and the boroughs of Ingram, Pennsbury Village, and Thornburg, but not McKees Rocks. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- The article is about the Census Designated Place, which is defined by the US Census Bureau. It just so happens that the US Post Office also has a "Bryn Mawr" (what you found), which does not correspond exactly with the CDP. Postal addresses do not always follow county / city / borough / township boundaries (very few townships have a post office named for them). For example, Jackson Township in northern Lycoming County has a Liberty, Tioga County, Pennsylvania address, but is not part of Tioga County.
- I found reliable sources to say that "Bryn Mawr" extends into Delaware County; I am using schools' addresses to prove this. See, PA school districts ALWAYS conform to township/borough/city lines, so the schools are undeniable proof that "Bryn Mawr" addresses extend into other townships. WhisperToMe 01:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- You're right. I tried to find some website that mentions the Delaware County portion, and came up empty. I know it's so, but there doesn't seem to be a source I can find. As I said, CDP makes as much sense as anything, and has the added benefit of a reliable source to back it up. Coemgenus 12:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks - every CDP in PA (and I think the US) as of the 2000 census has an article already. A number of other unincoprorated communities also have articles, although finding sources to prove notability is often more difficult for these. I think it would be fine to add that the mailing address for Brun Mawr extends into DelCo. The problem is finding the specifics of it - not sure the post office website has maps, just lookup. Ruhrfisch 11:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
What I did was created a separate infobox for the mailing address. By the way, doesn't the U.S. Census have boundaries of the CDPs? WhisperToMe 19:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- It is given in the first comment I made in this section, here is a link to the map again [2]. If you read the above comments, the Bryn Mawr postal address does not correspond exactly to the townships. Do you have a a detailed map of the postal address boundaries? Would you be willing to take this to Third Opinion? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- I am aware that the postal boundaries do not correspond to municipal boundaries - All I mean is that the postal boundaries extend into those areas, and I wish to convey this. WhisperToMe 22:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- EDIT: I changed the sentence to "Residents of Delaware County and the two townships in Delaware County with Bryn Mawr addresses do not reside in the Bryn Mawr CDP" to explain what I mean WhisperToMe 22:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- I am aware that the postal boundaries do not correspond to municipal boundaries - All I mean is that the postal boundaries extend into those areas, and I wish to convey this. WhisperToMe 22:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the second infobox looks bad on the page, and I'm unsure why its needed. The article is about the CDP, hence the information in the first infobox is about the CDP. The mailing address does not need its own infobox, especially one that is dominated by a complete sentence. That kind of information should just be in the text of article. VerruckteDan 01:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with VerruckteDan that the second infobox is not needed. Can you think of a single other article about a postal address on Wikipedia? Or even a single other use of a Geobox or Infobox for a postal address? We have almost no relaible info about the postal address (compare the info for the CDP - population, area, etc.). I repeat my request for a WP:3O - WhisperToMe would you agree (we ask a neutral party and agree to abide by their decision as to whether the box stays or not)? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- I am fine with the page as of writing :) WhisperToMe 00:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not even sure the sentence about the area generally referred to as Bryn Mawr is necessary in this article. Do the portions of Haverford, Lower Merion, and Radnor with Bryn Maw mailing addresses have this address for any historical reason? The fact that the mailing address name Bryn Mawr is used over a variety of municipalities is hardly unique or even notable. To me, it seems more like trivia. At best, the statement should be lower in the article, as it is not one of the key elements of the CDP, so it should not be taking such a prominent place in the opening paragraph. VerruckteDan 01:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
For an alternative take on this, here's a quote from the Media, Pennsylvania article: (the article is about the municipality of Media Boro, but the following text from the article is intended to convey that the Media zip code also covers other areas. I quote:
Since the borough of Media is only 0.8 sq mi and the "Media zip code" 19063 covers a much larger area, the geographic term "Media" is often used in a sense that includes not only the borough of Media, but other contiguous areas that are part of other municipalities but that share the zipcode. These include the entire Upper Providence Township, and in Nether Providence Township, the neighborhoods of South Media, Bowling Green, Pine Ridge, most of Middletown Township including the entire Elwyn, Bortandale, Riddlewood, Lima, Glen Riddle, & Lenni neighborhoods. Parts of Rose Valley Borough, Chester Heights Borough, Marple Township and Aston Township are sometimes included.
Spikebrennan 17:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The entry for Wayne, Pennsylvania has a similar passage. It's kind of colloquial, but certainly accurate:
While it's easy to put your finger on a map at the intersection of Lancaster & Wayne Avenues (40° 02' 38"N, 75° 23' 16"W) in northern Delaware County, Pennsylvania, USA, and proclaim the center of Wayne; it's harder to figure out where "Wayne" ends. Go a mile or five in any direction on that map and you'll see town names like Strafford, St. Davids, and Chesterbrook on the map, but ask a resident there what their address is and you'll likely hear them say Wayne. This phenomenon is due to the US Post Office in Wayne. The Wayne PO's 19087 Zip code spans a large, oddly shaped, area which includes parts of Delаware, Montgomery and Chester Counties. But ask who they pay taxes to, none of them will say Wayne. Then the answers will be Radnor, Upper Merion and Tredyffrin Townships.
Coemgenus 21:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The wording in the Media article is the best of the 3 examples, though it could probably be tightened up a bit in order to be more clear and concise. And this information should probably be placed into the Geography section as on the Wayne article. VerruckteDan 22:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- I made the changes suggested here (I am not familiar with the area, so please correct any errors). I would like to get rid of the second infobox (I note neither example given above has a second infobox) but would prefer to base the decision to keep or remove the zip code box on consensus or a third opinion or RFC. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- I edited your change. I think this is now going in the right direction (and, again, I agree with deleting the second infobox). Thanks also for directing my attention to the horribly-written counterpart section in the Wayne article, which I have now rewritten. Spikebrennan 03:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
