Talk:Bruce Bowen

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Good article Bruce Bowen has been listed as one of the Everyday life good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
May 4, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

[edit] Isiah Thomas controversy

The following paragraph (which I just removed from the article for discussion here), while generally accurate, does not fit well into the rest of the player profile. Bowen gets involved in at least 3-4 such controtroversies every season. It would probably be better to describe the gist of all the controversies in general, or to create a separate Controversies section with a paragraph on each controvery. Any thoughts? --Mikebrand 17:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


Bowen has sometimes been accused of being a "dirty" player, especially by New York Knicks head coach Isiah Thomas [1]. Thomas claims that Bowen intentionally sticks out his leg so that his opponent will land on his foot, potentially causing major injuries (undercutting). Thomas got into a shouting match with with Bowen and Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich in a November 13, 2006 matchup at Madison Square Garden when Thomas believed that Bowen tried to undercut Knicks guard Jamal Crawford [2].

Again, I have moved here a detailed description of a specific and minor incident does not belong in an article on the player. In this case the description is inaccurate as it attributes intention to Bowen while the league ruled that no fine or suspension was called for. A description of the irritation Bowen's defense generates in opposing players would be more appropriate.--Mikebrand 02:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

==Foot Defense==
Bowen injured Steve Francis in a 2006-2007 season game against the Knicks. It was the first of two times he's done it that night, the other Jamal Crawford. He put his front foot out so when the shooter landed from his jump shot he would get tripped by Bowen's foot.


SO NOTHING ABOUT HIS DIRTYNESS????

hes been called out by tons of players (including allen, francis, carter, now stoudamire, and even his own teammate finley) and many coaches (including hall of famers, larry brown, phil jackson, don nelson, and isaiah thomas) as being a dirty cheater. and if youve ever watched a spurs game, and were able to stay awake through it, you could clearly see that all the spurs are dirty players, and bowen is at the fore front of that. But your not going to mention that?? because????

[edit] GA Review

This is my first GA review, so don't "bite my head off" if I get some things wrong, cheers. Here it goes:

  • Quick-failed Review Article passes the initial quick-fail criteria, as there aren't any clean-up tags; the article hasn't been part of any edit wars and both images are under the correct licenses and have passed their repective FlickR Reviews on the Wikipedia Commons. But I'd like to address a slight concern over the small amount of references used in the article, but since the article is small and this isn't really a FA nomination so I'll forgive you for that.

Now let's get onto the GA criteria:

  • It is well written?
  • the prose is clear and the grammar is correct
The article is reasonably good, although it feels slightly repatative at times, especially in the "Getting Settled" section. There is also a small sentence that feels a little "magazine-y" for me, that being "Bowen bounced around in various teams" (Early Struggles) - A term used perhaps on "Basketball only" websites but this is Wikipedia and articles have to be written in a more formal manner for those (like me) who aren;t too fimilar with Basketball and prefer to have their "hands held" through the article, so to speak.
  • it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, jargon, words to avoid, fiction, and list incorporation
Passed easily. The sections are well space out, in terms of Bowen's timeline: Not too small so it would have a silly amount of headings and not too little so the reader can't find what they're looking for within the article.
  • It is factually accurate and verifiable
  • provides references to sources used;
Passed. References used are in their respective section at the bottom of the article. Just one small thing, "his father took drugs and even sold the family TV to feed his habit" do you happen to have a reference for this?
  • cites reliable sources for quotations and for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, preferably using inline citations for longer articles
Passed. All the sources used look reliable, same thing again with his Dad taking drugs and selling the TV!
contains no original research.
Passed. No OR that I can see!
  • It is broad in its coverage
  • addresses the major aspects of the topic
Passed.
  • stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary details
Passed. The article stays right "on track", even in the family section which can lead to some unnessesary details in some cases.
  • It is neutral
Passed - Not a POV in sight!
  • It is stable
Passed - As I said before, no edits wars in the article's recent history.
  • Any images it contains are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status. Fair use images must meet the criteria for fair use images and be labeled accordingly.
Passed - Both images are completely legal on Wikipedia, with both being licensed under the correct CC licenses and passed their FlickR Commons reviews, as I said before.
Comments

All Green accross the board, although I will put this article on Hold until these two little bits are fixed:

  • Find a reference to his Dad selling the TV to feed his drug habbit.
  • Try and re-word the "Bowen bounced around..." sentence.

Other then those it should pass my GA review. If your planning to take this article to FA, can I suggest running it through a Peer Review first and also try and wait until the end of his playing career to give the article more stability and also so you can expand on several sections. Either way, you've made a good attempt at this article and it hasn't been unseen by me. --Phill talk Edits 19:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I hope I don't screw up the solid work Chensiyuan and Onomatopoeia have done, but I've made a pass at addressing the two hold bullets. The part about his dad would appear to be supported by the cite from the following sentence, but it seems to refer to his mother as the one that sold the TV and did drugs. Also I simply replaced the bounced term - seemed clear to me, but your point about it being an idiom is valid. Kuru talk 00:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you both for reviewing this article and helping improve it. It seems Kuru has appropriately addressed the two bullet points? Chensiyuan 01:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
No problem, I've passed the article now. Thanks for seeing to those small problems with the article. --Phill talk Edits 06:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy Section?

I'm very astonished to see that there is no "controversy" section in this article. As an NBA fan I certainly have my partisan leanings. While I realize there has never been any "official" action taken by the NBA against Bowen for his questionable defensive techniques, there exist a plethora of videos and incidents cited by other players showing questionable defense. At the very least, if he is not throwing his foot down under other players' feet while they land with the intention of spraining their ankle, it is something he does nonetheless. As such, it could and should at the very least be mentioned as problematic towards other NBA players. In my mind, this is similar to the Carlos Mencia article on Wikipedia. He has not been accused of any sort of plagiarism, yet the overwhelming amount of evidence purporting it is worth mentioning. In the meantime, this article may as well have been written by David Stern. If that's not biased and censored, and I don't know what is.

So what's stopping you from making the edits yourself and providing your sources for your claims? Chensiyuan 06:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm actually pretty shocked it hasn't been up here, but it's funny how everyone loves to complain about it, but no one adds it. Get the sources together and get to it. Hell, I'll probably end up doing it just because I think it deserves mention. Just need some free time to get it all together. ZodiiakDial Z 02:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Changed the wording of the flagrant foul on Wally Szczerbiak to "kick to the face" from "flying kick to the face." While I'm not Bowen fan, it's not particularly necessary to make him sound like a martial arts movie villain.24.61.91.52 (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Anonymous

Very well. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)