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[edit] Pearl

Hey, no problem -- I thought you did a fantastic job, and saw an opportunity to do a little bit of very minor editing. You did a really great job on the article, and I'd love to see more. Feel free to drop me a line whenever you're working on something interesting, and I'll try to chip in -- but it looks like you really don't need any help!

Thanks for the kind words, and it's great to see new people editing the beer stuff! --Daniel11 03:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, a couple more things... I was considering adding a new layer of headings, and putting all the history under a broad "history" category, but decided not to since I figured you might be annoyed by that -- but I see you did the same. Good to know -- great minds think alike, and all ;) ... also, and this isn't very significant, I think the general Wikipedia thing is not to use all-caps for heading or subheadings. I'll leave that up to you, since I'm not really sure, but I haven't seen all-caps around much, so I kind of think that's official or unofficial policy around here. Hope this helps... --Daniel11 03:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I would compliment your job on Pearl. I was just cruising reading Texas oriented things (bored and forcing myself to stay awake) and stumbled into the Pearl Brewery article. I never finished it, but after reading 3/4s of it was amazed how well its was done with you spearheading the project. Great job on what you've acomplished so far. Feedloadr 09:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your question on the Wiki Beer page

"Where can I find this sub-section at? There are two local brewers I'd like to add and eventually expand on." Go to the main WikiBeer page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer), and click on the seventh topic in the contents box (Articles in need of editing or creation). Even if you've started the pages, it's probably a good place to add stubs (the more visability, the better the article)... --(Mingus ah um 00:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Help with City Box

I'm trying to fix a link on the San Antonio link box, which is tagged in the article as {-{San Antonio}-} minus the dashes. Where can I find the actual box to update the link inside? I've tried searching on Template:San Antonio, but no luck. --Brownings 16:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

If you need to fix something in {{San Antonio}}, it should be there. What exactly needs fixing? --JD[don't talk|email] 16:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, thanks must have been fat fingering something or missing it somehow. I need to change the link for Pearl Brewery from actually going to "Pearl Brewery" and instead go to "Pearl Brewing Company." Locals call it Pearl Brewery, but the Wikipedia page is under the Pearl Brewing Company. The page on Wiki for Pearl Brewery is actually a redirect to Pearl Brewing Company. Thanks for you help, it has been driving me nuts all morning. --Brownings 16:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Looks like you've already done it :) Glad I could help, somewhat... --JD[don't talk|email] 16:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beer poll

Hi! Your vote/opinion on brewery notability is requested here: [1] SilkTork 12:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject North Carolina

In an effort to expand this project, I've requested a bot tag most of the articles under the Category:North Carolina. If you could, please look over this list User:Betacommand/North Carolina and remove any that should not get tagged with the Wikiproject North Carolina Template. Thanks Morphh 01:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Beer

Things have been very quiet for quite some time now on the beer project page and some of the main pages. Are you still active there? Do you know if anyone is? Thanks. Mikebe 11:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Where are you? According to what I see on my computer it must be no more than 07:00 there in the USA. Yes, I would like to chat, but I'm not sure how that works. Perhaps you could explain? Mikebe 12:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. There have been things going on almost "behind the scenes" and I thought you should know about it and also see if we could all do something about it.

As you know, I posted a message on the project talk page about "isn't Wikipedia an encyclopedia" that you contributed some nice comments to. Basically, since this is an encyclopedia and not a home-brewing manual, I don't think having links to the BJCP style guidelines on every beer page is necessary or even useful. For example, here is a small sample from a BJCP style guide: "Rich German malt aroma (of Vienna and/or Munich malt). A light to moderate toasted malt aroma is often present. Clean lager aroma with no fruity esters or diacetyl. No hop aroma. Caramel aroma is inappropriate."

It seems to me that 99% of the people who look up beer in an encyclopedia would by frightened or confused by something like that. I don't know if you will agree with me, but I hope you will.

IAC, we had this discussion (there were 3 of us, I think) a month or so ago. It then turns out the Goethean, one of the biggest trouble-makers in the group, it seems, went quietly to an admin he knows, who it turned out is an even bigger trouble-maker than Goethean. This admin went through the beer articles putting back all the BJCP links I and another user (Patto1ro) had removed. He then told the other user (Patto1ro) that he and I were the same person and if he didn't close down one of the accounts, he would "take administrative action against you."

The other user is, IRL, Ron Pattinson, who is one of the most knowledgeable European beer experts I know. Ron is also a friend of mine IRL. To make a long story short, this admin (his user name is osgoodelawyer, btw) made this accusation on the basis that we both opened accounts within a few days of each other and we both were doing the same kind of edits (removing BJCP links). He then complained to another admin that we were "blatantly anti-American" (mostly, apparently, because of removing the BJCP links).

So, the other user has given up and left Wikipedia. He is the second expert I know who has left because of mistreatment by other editors/admins.

The situation is now that Goethean and Osgoodelawyer think they own the beer articles.

It seems to me that two people taking over the project without any vote or any discussion is just wrong. Secondly, it seems that more and more they are giving these pages an American-centric POV. For example, take a look at "Belgian Strong Dark Ale." As I understand it, this is a beer style that American home brewers need to make for competitions. I can assure you there is no such Belgian beer style, but, as long as home brewers use this as a competition category, I don't have a problem with it. However, writing an article about a home-brew competition style that is only for practice? And then give a Canadian beer and a Trappist Belgian beer as "examples" of this "style." I think there is something really wrong with this. It would be perfectly reasonable for someone reading this article to walk into a pub and ask for a beer in that style, which, of course, doesn't exist since it's only a competition style for home brewers.

But, it's not just Goethean and Osgoodelawyer. When I nominated it for deletion, no one agreed.

Personally, I'm ready to join Ron and leave. The actions of Goethean and his friend are so childish and nasty, that I see nothing to be gained by staying.

This is probably a lot more than you expected, but this is a lot of stuff that has been happening. What do you think of all this? Mikebe 14:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Brewing Company

A copy of this dicussion has been posted on the Pearl Brewing Company talk page. I figured since it had a lot to do with the article, then it'd be nice to have it there as well. --Brownings 17:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey Brownings, I just came across your article here (undoubtedly it can be called yours at the moment). You've done some absolutely spectacular work here, with so much detailed content. It looks like an article that could one day become featured, since you clearly have enough material for a fine article. I have a couple concerns, though.

The first is the lack of footnoted references. You have undoubtedly not written the article off the top of your head, as the extensive list of "references" shows, but footnotes are very sparse. I know it will be a grand undertaking to footnote this article, but it would improve it greatly, is really necessary for a "proper" article, and is absolutely necessary if you ever want to get it featured. I also see that all your references are online. Do you not have any paper sources that you're working from? Despite the less useful nature of a paper source online (in that one cannot click it and immediately see the original), such sources give added authority to an article.

A second concern is article length. You are no doubt aware that when you click to edit the article you get a notice that it is larger than the preferred size. In fact, it's almost twice the preferred size, which is highly undesirable for an article (it is unlikely that a reader will bother to finish it at that size, even if it is a very interesting read). I note that you seem to have much more to add as well, which would eventually bring the article up to mammoth-size. The usual solution to this is to split the article up into sub-articles with a summary section of each article in the main one. However, for an article of this type (on a single company, which isn't even really still in existence) sub-articles would generally not be considered independently viable (sub-topics wouldn't be considered notable enough to warrant their own articles). The only possible sub-article that I could envision being notable enough (and I'm not an expert on what people consider notable here, so it might not fly with others) would be a history article. However, since your article is already primarily history, it seems like it wouldn't be the best route to go. I hate to have to suggest this, and of course you do not have to take my suggestion, but I suggest that you pare down your article. Combine sections where possible and limit the content to only the most relevant parts of the brewery's history.

For your great work on Texas-related beer articles, I award you this Tireless Contributor Barstar. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
For your great work on Texas-related beer articles, I award you this Tireless Contributor Barstar. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A final concern is the inclusion of "Indiana" Schmidt and the Lost Mural. I note that you have received permission to include the text, but I'm not entirely sure that is enough due to the combination of the restrictions the author requested and the nature of Wikipedia (anyone can edit any text, and the author expressly forbids her work from being edited). Since I am not an expert on copyright (on or off of Wikipedia) I direct you to WP:COPYREQ where hopefully someone will be able to tell you if Wikipedia allows such a use. I suspect the answer is in the negative, however.

After all that, I hope you don't feel that your article is under attack. My intent is the very opposite; your article has so much potential that I want to ensure that it complies with Wikipedia policy and guidelines so that it can't come under attack, is as well-referenced and constructed as possible, and is set on its way towards eventual featured article status. If there's anything further I can help with to that end, please don't hesitate to leave me a note. Again, I congratulate you on your great work. In fact, you deserve a barnstar. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I noticed that Mikebe wrote you while I was composing the above message and made some complaints about me. Please take his accusations with a grain of salt. I certainly do not think I own beer articles. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a ton Oz for taking the time to comment on the Pearl page. It’s nice to have my work recognized, and I really appreciate the award. Pearl has grown out of a labor of love over the past year. I'm proud of a lot of the work, but I'm also aware that it could really use some help in a number of areas. While I've compiled most of this information from different sources and talking with ex-employees, I'm no expert at Wikipedia or some of the detailed rules that apply to articles that are more than simple stubs. Clipper471 has helped me a ton with his copyedits, but no one else has really jumped onboard like I had hoped. Over the past year I've talked with reps for both Pabst and Silver Ventures, and while they're very helpful and willing to provide photos, neither have jumped onto the site to added information. Of course come to think of it, that might be a good thing.
The footnotes are a problem that I'm trying to work on. Unfortunately it always seems on the end of an ever growing "to do" list. Hard copy documents when it comes to Pearl seem far and few between. Overall references broke up into the following segments: 10% hard copy information, 50% interviews I've done with Pearl people, and the remaining 40% from the on-line references you see at the bottom of the article. I really need to find the APA format for referencing an interview and start using it. The next section I plan on working on is “Pearl’s sweet tooth,” which some of the information came from two interviews. Before that section goes up, I’ll get the reference format down and at least include it in that section. As for the rest, I’ll have to come up with a plan of action and just tackle them one by one.
I’ll take a look to see what off the top can be moved over to its own page. I already have an individual page for the Texas Transportation Company, and can probably move the sections on “xXx” and the Buck Winn over to their own pages. I think I passed Wikipedia’s recommended length several months ago. I know where you’re coming from on the general reader’s attention level. They’d probably make it past the first couple of paragraphs then just skip down to the photos section. However, I am worried about an older set of former workers who might visit the page from Google or Yahoo!. While its one page, they’ll probably scroll down and read through at least some of the information, but if its broken up into several pages, I’m worried they might think what’s on the main page is all that’s there.
The article inside the Buck Winn section is a problem. I really wish I could just reference it, but it isn’t available in soft or hard form. The copy on Wikipedia is only the second “publishing” the article has ever seen. Other than a printing in the local society flyer in Wimberly, TX it hasn’t see a mass distribution. The author was very worried about someone chopping up her work and killing the flow of it. I think it’s a key part of the Buck Winn story, but how can I satisfy all parties and still use it?
Thanks again Oz for your comments. I appreciate it, and will take them into account as I write additional sections and correct those already in place. --Brownings 05:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Panoramic1910.JPG

You note that this image is copyrighted but free use is allowed. I assume you mean the original image, and that this "picture of the picture" was taken by you. I have fixed it up so that the perspective is correct and the frame is gone: Image:PearlBrewingPanorama1910.jpg. With your permission I'll delete Image:Panoramic1910.JPG. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 16:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Oz. That's an awesome job on the photo. It looks a million times better than the original I took. As for the copyright, I took a WAG as to what to put. The original photo was from something similar to a press kit of the day. I figured the brewery kept the copyright, but had intended it for free use. Since I was taking a photo of a photo, I had no idea what arena that would even fall in. Rather than tagging it mine and putting it up on Commons, I figured it'd be best to error on the safe side, just in case (in case of what I have no idea). I posted up a question on one of the project pages a few months ago, but never heard anything, and the post has long since been buried. Go ahead and kill the original photo, or let me know how since I have no idea. I don't see the point in keeping it since your version is much better. Oh, and thanks for moving the two photos. I wanted to originally put them inside the text, but was unsure on breaking them off out of the "Images" sections. After seeing it, the page looks much better.
I saw your comment above about the overall article. I think you have a lot of good points. I'm strapped for time right now, but if I get the chance I'll sit down later to write up a proper response and try to answer some of your questions. Thanks though for the input and my first award, w00t!! --Brownings 16:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Great, I look forward to hearing from you when you have the time. I've also gone ahead and deleted the original image. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SA Infobox

Great job on the infobox revamp there, although I kinda jumped the gun and replaced the infobox already. Sorry about that. Anyway, I love the new format! Dknights411 02:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] High Falls Brewing Company

{{helpme}} Hi, I've been battling a nonReg vandal for some time on the High Falls Brewing Company article. Each change has usually come from a different IP address, but based on the person's repeated comments I believe it's just a single person. My question is, how do I go about contacting an Admin to help? I'd like to get the page blocked from edits by nonRegs for a few weeks. In addition, what is the proper way to revert an article? I usually go to the last good copy on the history tab, then select to edit it, then save. Is there a better way, or at least a more correct way? Thanks in advance for the help. --Brownings 04:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that is the proper way to do a revert. As an admin myself I would suggest you make your request for page protection on WP:RFPP. From there we can figure things out. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 04:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prohibition again

You have now reverted my edit and you have reverted my question to you about what the reason for the revert is. An anonymous user has reverted the edit at Prohibition a second time, without reason, or maybe this you also? I expressed my problems with the introduction as it is in the Talk page. Please describe your reasons for the revert either here, on my talk page, or in the article's discussion page. I'd appreciate your input on improving that section a bit. Thank you. Professor marginalia 23:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xterra reply

I felt the previous arrangement not only offered a higher-quality set of images, but also showed the car better. As the photographer of two of the three images switched around, I thought I might be able to judge that without waiting for a discussion. But, if you want to put it on the talk page, go ahead. I will further point out that you undid my photo arrangement without a message on the talk page. IFCAR 21:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trinity U

Regarding your removal of the "Sperm and Ova" tradition from Trinity, it's obvious you did not attend Trinity in the late 70's-early 80's. I graduated from Trinity in 1981 with a degree in Computing and Information Science. The Sperm and Ova were fixtures at homecoming during that time. Most of us found the antics incredibly funny (remember, we're talking college kids here) and I was amazed that the administration tolerated the tradition. Apparently Dr. Caalgard tired of it, because shortly after he came onboard they went away.

You're not going to find a cite for these guys ... what modern, serious university is going to mention something like that, but rest assured it was a tradition. The Sperm dressed up in white sheets and of course had tails, the Ova were in round padded outfits, and of course the Sperm chased the Ova around. OK, maybe you had to be there. I was. Please restore your edit. 68.94.213.153 14:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charlie Staats Pearl collection?

My name is Chadd Arnold and I'm wondering how to get in touch with Charlie Staats. I'm a History student at McMurry University in Abilene, Texas and I'm composing a paper on the Pearl Brewery. I'm using primary sources for my paper and it appears Charlie is the person I need to see. I can be reached by email at kachadd@yahoo.com and I would greatly appreciate your help.

Thanks for your time 02-21-07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amocat (talk • contribs) 03:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Hi Chadd. Thanks for your interest in the brewery. I talk with Charlie pretty routinely, so I'll let him know that you want to get in touch with him. Although I've learned a lot of information on my own, Charlie is a virtual wealth of information when it comes to Pearl. Neat thing is, he's almost as well versed in Lone Star beer. I've been needing to give him a call soon, so I'll be sure to mention you when I talk with him.
In addition, as you work on your paper, if there are additional sources you need for a particular area, let me know. I know most of the POCs for the sections off the top of my head. Others I can find for you, since former employees meet up once a month here in the San Antonio area.
Oh, and I'll copy this all to your talk page just in case you don't check back here. Cheers! --Brownings 03:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Brewing Company a candidate for GA-status

I've nominated Pearl Brewing Company at WP:GA. Pending what they say, I'd even push for FA-status. drumguy8800 C T 05:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Texas Transportation Museum

Hello, This Is Mingo Molina, And i have noticed that you have created a page for the texas transportation museum. thanks very much. but i can take over it from now on. i live in san antonio and i work at the texas transportation museum, and i am the owner of ttm talk the online talk show about the museum, thanks much. SPSF_luvr

No problem. Thanks for taking over and helping out on Wikipedia. I left you a message on the article's talk page, but wanted to at least put a reply here in case you checked back here first. Cheers. --Brownings 11:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I just did a major update on the Texas Transportation Museum Wiki. let me know what you think,John 22:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Barnstar

I Angelbo award you this Barnstar for your beer related contributions
I Angelbo award you this Barnstar for your beer related contributions

Best regards Mads Angelbo Talk / Contribs 14:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The History of Ranching (Winn)

I've raised the copyright issue of this article at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems, where people with more knowledge of our copyright rules can decide if I was correct in removing it or you correct in readding it. I suggest that you give your opinion there as well, and that we both agree with the judgment of these people (whatever the outcome). If the text has to be removed (which isn't certain), you can always rewrite it in your own words, and link to the original account from wherever it comes, so that the info is not lost. Fram 19:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

I need your help. a anonymous user with this IP address (69.153.2.171) vandalized my user page. After some research I found out he/she is also the same one who deleted my link off of the TTM page. I havnt been here on Wiki long and realy don't know what to do about it so any help would be great. Thanks, John Stabe

[edit] Speedy deletion

I Got On Of Those Thingies On MY Page, And It Told Me To Put Some Tag On My Page, So I Wanted To Tri That Tag, I Was Going To Delete It But That Time Class Was Over, And I Was Going To Erase It Today.

Well, while it's great that you want to see how policies and movements work here in Wiki-land, testing them on other articles and user pages it's the way to go. Instead, try testing in the Wikipedia:Sandbox, that way your tests will not affect live articles and be taken as vandalism. --Brownings 18:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alamo Model Railroad Engineers WikiPage

I Wish To Invite You To Edit The Alamo Model Railroad Engineers WikiPage Created By Me (Mingo) With Permission From Sir John. I Talked To Him At The Museum Today. I Will No Longer Vandalize Wikipedia. Sorry For The Trouble. Lookin Forward To Seeing You At The TTM.

Hello Mingo. I'm glad that you and John talked today. I look forward to seeing your work as the two of you collaborate on TTM. I'll pop into the article on TTM and help here and there. However, I'm no expert at trains and railroads, but if you need help with something feel free to give me a shout. --Brownings 02:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TTM

Nice work on the Texas Transportation Museum article! I actually never would have come across it, but John Stabe told me about it on the phone so I checked it out. Good work! Scorpionman 04:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl Leasing info

Hi Brownings,

Nice job on the Pearl site. I wanted to volunteer myself as a resource for you should you need any additional information or updates.

Our firm has been retained by Silver Ventures to do leasing for some of the office, retail, and residential space that is coming available at Pearl.

Patrick Shearer
Cambridge Realty Group
210-299-1172 x245

pshearer at cambridgerealty.com
http://www.cambridgerealty.com
http://pearl.cambridgerealty.com
http://www.pearlbrewery.com
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Psshearer (talk • contribs) 19:46, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Image Question

I was wondering where you got all of the different images of the old Pearl Brewery. My company is looking for some old pictures and memorabilia that we can put in a new shop we're are opening in Austin. The building used to be an old Pearl Beer Distributing Co. and we would love to get some old pictures to put up. Can you help me with this?? Please let me know. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wynnemc (talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

That's great to hear an old building associated with Pearl is being saved rather than razzed like so many others. As for the photos, a large chunk were provided to me by Silver Ventures (owners of the brewery). Others are photos in a friend's collection that he kindly let me scan and post. Are there particular ones that you're interested in? There are a few options you can try. Depending on how big you want to blow them up, the full view of each tumbnail might be suitable for say a 5x7. The full view size I'm talking about can be seen here: [2]. If that's too small for what you're planning, I can email you a larger version. The ones here on Wikipedia are reduced by 60% to the digital originals I have stored. I'm not sure how large of a enlargement they would be good for, but I could always send you one to try. --Brownings (talk) 01:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Devastator

Say Brownings, do you occasionally frequent the msg boards over at AUg under the screen-name "Devastator"? Also, were you at one time attached to the Houston/San Antonio-based CoZ under the command of GS B. Zarak? --(anonymous) 23:32, 26 January 2008 (CST)

Oh yea, that was me, back in the day of course. I must say, it's been awhile since I've been in touch with the Transfan community. After Beast Machines, I was just so "meh" about the whole thing. I thought for sure that Hasbro was going to kill everything, so I became a little disheartened and moved on. For awhile I was hobby-less, and just focusing on school, but after that ended, I took up residence here on Wiki. While not as entertaining, it sure is a hella lot cheaper than souring eBay for the rare toys and stuff. I actually found AuG again the other day and posted up a quick message. I haven't made it back there yet to see if anyone responded, but it's on my "to-do" list. Thanks for posting a message, feel free to drop by here anytime. VIVA LA FIST! (damn, been forever since I typed that.) --Brownings (talk) 05:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] usaa

Yes i made it double in an attempt to get rid of the stupid "convert this prose" junk. Satyrnr or whoever added a lovely little note saying "convert this prose" and one of the options is to create a list. I thought it was a list already, so i reread the instructions and thought maybe i needed to double - as you call it. just trying to keep the history without the dang note from Satnyr - who is stubborn enough to keep it in the page but apparently won't correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.155.4.175 (talk) 14:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


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  • A great way to expand new articles is by keeping track of the new articles list. Please add any new NC-related articles or older ones you come across that have not been tagged with the project banner. When you notice an article has been added to the list, read over it and check for citations, grammatical errors, and spelling. If you've written a NC-related article in the past 5 days, read the requirements for Did you know... and add your article to the DYK nomination list. It might be chosen for the Main Page!
  • If you see a new member added to the project list, a great idea would be to leave them a welcome message on their talk page. Show them we notice new members and that we want them to become active participants.
  • If you have any questions in regards to the project, feel free to contact someone from The Newsroom Team. Thanks for all of your hard work and happy editing!
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[edit] Proposed deletion of Independence Brewing Company

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Independence Brewing Company, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? —Latiligence (talk) 16:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:PaulKalmanovitz.JPG

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:PaulKalmanovitz.JPG. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Rettetast (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Independance Brewing Company

In response to your comment on that article's discussion page:

Based on your talk page comments, you seem very interested in documenting topics related to beer. I can sense your disappointment in pursuing research that is interesting to you and also of promotional value to the company, only to see the article flop. Please remember that the proposed deletion is not a strike against you or your interest in the topic. It only means that the subject of the article does not fit Wikipedia's aim of a general-purpose encyclopedia. Your dedication and effort to research the history of even very small breweries could potentially be greatly apprecaited contributions to a website catering to more specific interests. I actually arrived at the article via the random article link; I only proposed the deletion after I saw the notability maintenance tag and decided to investigate further. As for you, don't stop contributing! Your dedication to quality articles is a valuable asset to Wikipedia. —Latiligence (talk) 20:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)