User talk:Brotherlawrence

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I've started a discussion on the JW Writing Project policy about not using Scripture references to document Jehovah's Witenss belief on the talk page of the main Jehovah's Witness page here: [1] Your input would be welcome. Dtbrown 02:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 References 2 Abbreviations 3 My Edit 4 Nontrinitarianism 5 AfD nomination of Jehovah's Witnesses and salvation

[edit] References

You have added several references to a few of the JW articles. While it is appropriate to add references to provide verification, longwinded passages from JW publications verges on POV. Please be careful not to use references as a preaching platform.--Jeffro77 (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"It's like asserting that saying "loving parents buy their children a car" leads to the conclusion that parent's who don't buy their children cars are unloving.'" Indeed, in that statement it is strongly implied that it is because they are "loving" that they buy the car, otherwise there is no value in including the word 'loving' in the statement. 'Being loving' and 'having a bible study' are neither mutually exclusive nor inclusive. As for examples of excessive referencing... quoting entire (or several) paragraphs from source material is not necessary; a reference to the source article, with maybe a sentence or two from the source is sufficient. Wikipedia is to reference verifiable material, not duplicate it.--Jeffro77 (talk) 03:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abbreviations

Thanks for your longwinded and unnecessary comment. Commenting on the use of 'i.e.' was particularly irrelevant (and 'i.e.' is not interchangable with 'e.g.', though is a common error by careless writers. Use of 'ex.' for example is non-standard and not appropriate in an encyclopedia, where 'e.g.' is standard.--Jeffro77 (talk) 01:00, 26 December 2007 (UTC) Regarding the links you included as 'justification'... On the first page referenced from the hardly high-quality source, 'yahoo answers', the responses made no comment regarding the use of 'ex' at all. The second link also made no reference at all to the use of 'ex', and there was no issue of confusion between 'i.e.' and 'e.g.' (unless on your part). And in the third reference, did you notice the confusion regarding the proposed use of 'ex' for 'example', which served to restate my own comment that use of 'ex' usually refers to excluding or exempting.--Jeffro77 (talk) 01:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

No doubt you are aware that since this discussion is in a Talk page and not an article, I am under no obligation to provide verifiable sources for points on grammar and word usage. However, I will provide this reference: http://books.google.com/books?id=2yJusP0vrdgC&pg=RA3-PA520&dq=i.e.+merriam-webster&sig=Oyx35rFRHBu8ZssDEik1_WXbOTs

(Note that the very fact that 'ex.' is not given as an alternative should be evidence enough that it is not interchangable in formal usage.)--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

By way of example, e.g. is appropriate when giving a non-exhaustive list of examples "animals, e.g. cats". i.e is used when giving an exhaustive list of examples "primary colours, i.e. red, yellow and blue" or when providing clarification "the day after Christmas, i.e. 26 December".--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Edit

My minor edit at 13:26 immediately followed my more significant edit at 13:25. If you carefully examine the edit in the "change from yellow to green", you will note the removal of three single quotes I had inadvertently not removed in my edit at 13:25. As a hint, you will find these near the word 'hades'. (Though not the case this time, edits can also appear to make no changes when fixing issues with whitespace.) It's unclear why you would bother questioning an edit that you didn't realise altered the article. I trust I will not have to explain minutia such as this again.--Jeffro77 (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nontrinitarianism

I see that you are active on the Jehovah's Witnesses discussion page,
and so I thought I would invite you to contribute to the improvemet, addition of references,
and general clean up of the Nontrinitarianism Article so that it does not get neglected!
GabrielVelasquez (talk) 02:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Jehovah's Witnesses and salvation

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