User talk:BroadSt Bully

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[edit] Student section deletion

A page very similar to one you created or helped edit, Oakland Zoo (cheering section), has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are important and may help to set precedence for the notability of articles about college basketball student sections. Please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oakland Zoo (cheering section) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you.CrazyPaco (talk) 06:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Hey Paco. You've got some real brass asking a Penn Stater for help. ;-) I've been monitoring the discussion from a distance... I've tried to stay out of it to avoid of a conflict of interests. Yesterday I would've supported deletion because there really was nothing to the article, but the job you did overnight is amazing. I'll go over and vote KEEP. You're more than welcome to help improve the Nittany Nation article as well, although admittedly it's harder to find sources for it. Us student section articles have to stick together! Quid pro quo. BroadSt_Bully [talk] 15:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Thanks for your help and compliments BroadSt. I assumed you guys weren't our rivals' anymore ;-). I actually didn't know for sure that you were a Nitter (although you seem to be a Flyers fan, sorry my Penguins will have to beat you today), just that you had created many of the other student sections articles so I assumed you had an interest on them being perceived as legitimate topics for articles. I completely agree that the Zoo article was a disaster and worthy of many tags to encourage improvement, but then if someone knew much about the topic of college basketball, you'd have to put the Pitt section easily with the the range of notability and potential of other student section articles. Certainly it is more notable than Northwestern student section for example, but I would never apply a AFD tag to that page because I believe the subject matter has real validity and value for those interested in college basketball. And I don't believe any of those articles are undermining any essence of wikipedia by being an advertisement or blatantly self promoting. What makes me sort of pissed is when editors add AFD tags without consistency. If you are going to add an AFD tag, I believe you should do a little investigation into the topic and take article potential into account, or add it all the similar pages and then there can be a discussion on the notability of the topic in general with everyone's input rather than picking things off one-by-one. No matter what is official wikipedia dogma, precedence and categorizing/grouping of articles carries a lot of weight with deletion decisions. In the least, it certainly influences AFD nominations to begin with. Also unfair is when someone from, say Ireland, stops by and comments with a speedy delete when they probably have no idea about the subject matter. That said, the real problem with articles like the Zoo one, is when people create potentially legitimate and interesting articles without taking the time reference them properly and they get tagged for deletions. Editors take potentially valid wikipedia article name entries, do not even half the job or writing it and don't come back to fix it when expand tags and the like are applied, and then just let them dangle for AFDs, jeopardizing future use of the article name and the whole category of articles in the long run. Alright, I'll turn my rant off now. If you ever need help defending the Nittany Nation article let me know. I thought you did a really nice job with it, BTW.

As far as the student section parameter in the infobox, that is a great idea, as long as it remains optional because there are lots of schools without named student sections. I don't know the coding that is used in these things either. However, creating a Category page, which is fairly simple, for Cheering Sections might be a good idea just from a protection of the topic point of view (showing that there is real interest for the topic out there). This wouldn't have to be limited to colleges, as things like Cleveland's Dawg Pound could also be included. I would make that category that but I'm way too involved in the defense of the Zoo page right now and it might come off the wrong way.CrazyPaco (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Foot-in-mouth re: Flyers vs Pens. Maybe we'll see you in the playoffs.CrazyPaco (talk) 22:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for creating the student section category!CrazyPaco (talk) 23:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for all your help BroadSt. I tried looking in the Altoona Mirror archives for Nittany Nation articles, but their on-line archives don't go back very far. I'd keep an eye on that source for future stories though.CrazyPaco (talk) 02:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


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